whats wrong with hammerheads and elevators in AH?

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by Rollio
the question is... has anyone here flown a double-hammerhead?  (the best my RC zero did was 1 and 3/4 but it was grossly overweight)

Waterfalls are cool...

[SFRT - Frenchy]

I remember doing a hammer head on a 109(F or G) and the nose stayed straight up from 5k all the way to the ground.

[Weavling]

It's rather wierd that your plane's nose would just hang in the air like in AH.  I always thought that due to aerodynamics of the plane(it was ment to go forward) and the weight of the nose becuase of the engine, the plane would almost automatically bring it's nose down in a situation when a hammerhead is being attempted.  I've noticed in some low speed situations and I am stalling(not an accelerated stall, just airspeed got too low), my nose just does not want to fall.  Instead it sometimes prefers to go up.  I don't remember what plane I was in, probably either a Hurricane MK IIC, A6M5b, or a Spitfire V or IX.  But it seems that many planes in AH suffer from this.

[Tilt]

One of the first things I noticed coming from AW was the  diferential lack of control authority worsened below 100.

I just put it down to AW's old airplanes on rails feel which AH was trying to avoid.

Air flow direction over some of the control surfaces is rather unique in a hammerhead isn't it?

[Kekule]

so it seems ah has great ailerons and awful elevator and rudder

                            and wb has awful ailerons and great elevator and rudder.

 I was thinking the exact same thing a week or so ago.  The way WB models roll is porked, and trying AH I still have not gotten use to the elevator authority and lack of vertical moves.  

Somewhere between the two FMs would be more than adequate.

Kekule
WB: 18th Sentai

[nopoop]

I've never tried. Will an AH flight model do a tail slide to a whip at the end ?? I can't do a decent hammerhead here.

Brief experiment with auto trim it seemed planes were more prone to flat spins than with manual trim ( hated it ) I was flat spinnin my ride where I rarely did it with manual trim.

I agree with the above.

[MANDOBLE]

With 190s, with more than 60% fuel I get a "somewhat" hammerhead 1 out of 20 attempts, and 1 out of 10 with 30% or less. And yes, I miss the WB style hammerheads/wingovers, they were my favorite moves.

[Manedew]

I can get perfect hammer heads to work in AH ... it's just trickey.... gotta watch the torque and ease off thottle if need be, then get the rudder in just right....   works for me easy in somethign like a hog or p47 .. on other planes, with less rudder authority, I have a harder time.   On a hog i could get a perfect hammer every time ...

[Rutilant]

AH's IL2 hammerheads quite well..

[Urchin]

I can do them in P-38s and 109s/190s, I sometimes lose control at the bottom of it and start spinning though.

[GScholz]

Originally posted by Kweassa
Simply put, almost every plane in AH except the Spits, N1K2, Hurricanes, Zeros and the P-38L.. needs to save a considerable margin of speed prior to the reversal while vertical...

I realy realy realy hope HTC fix this in AH2. Only the P-38 should be so forgiving at very slow speeds, and even the P-38 is too forgiving in AH IMHO.

[ccvi]

Originally posted by Rutilant
AH's IL2 hammerheads quite well..

As does the goon (if you cut one engine at least).

[Citabria]

ive been flying wb a bit more and am convinced their rudder elevator low speed modeling is much much more realistic. even accelerated stalls seem to happen in air while in ah the plane feels like its on rails.

but wb ailerons limit their entire spectrum of dogfighting into an elevator and rudder game. ah seems to do the opposite

but wb smooting code is much less refined than ah and the fighting in close suffers. especially against warpy 190's

[Manedew]

been screwing aorund with it more in other planes.. most rudders are just too weak at low speed ... you can do it right, it just takes way to long ... faster to just use elve on many planes