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« Reply #30 on: August 19, 2003, 01:06:59 PM »
Skull12, your enthusiasm is great to see.  I wouldn't put the label of "master" on yourself though; that's for others to pin on a person.   For comparison, I have been flying for exactly a year and still don't feel I've approached "master" in any plane. Remember what happened between you and I in the DA, and you should have a gauge of where you stand.  I'm not trying to discourage you, but when you toss comments about becoming a master, you really open yourself to response.
IMO Skull, there are only a small handful of masters.  Levi's SpitV comes to mind, along w/ Drex's F6...then there are those p47 guys... hehe nifty sticks... lefty, ammo.. and their crew.
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« Reply #31 on: August 19, 2003, 03:15:09 PM »
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I wouldn't put the label of "master" on yourself though
have i said i was master?no i didn't. i know for a fact.im not a master. had more luck HO today. was about to stall out and tiffy diving on me took HO shot he takes 2 pings..............his wing falls off. i just uped 190 coming to me take HO shot his wing falls off with 2 3 pings.ewhat i normal will do is get on the spits 9 or 3 clock at about 1k away turn on his 6 and what him speed away. ive been flying the il2 alday today cause these bish gv dweebs.

i will be master by end of touror next tour:rolleyes:
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« Reply #32 on: August 19, 2003, 04:07:03 PM »
No, you said


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hehe i am slowly becoming a master




Look, I tried to give you some helpful advise, you threw it back in my face. Fine, I get your message.  You're already taking lumps in this thread... maybe you just don't get it.
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« Reply #33 on: August 19, 2003, 04:44:05 PM »
*sigh*
Skull there are lots of people here who are willing to impart with some knowledge. Why you seem to be stuck on this idea that the HO is the way to go, is beyond me.  Maybe you do need to visit the DA for a bit.  There are lots better pilots here than me, but hell, I'd be willing to be a target for you. Or should I wait till the end of this tour, when you become a "Master"?
Oh, and bring more than the HO pls, Im rather shy and dont dance all that well.;)

On a more serious note, try listening with your ears instead of your yapper. More effective that way i've found.
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« Reply #34 on: August 19, 2003, 04:54:17 PM »
actually, i ave found that if i hit someone fleeing at about 800 or so away with 7mm i can sometimes scareing them into commiting a turn

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« Reply #35 on: August 19, 2003, 05:07:03 PM »
someone gimmie 15 bucks and i'll prove 'em HO-ing with 109F-4 (1x 20mm or with Gondola loadout) is not a way to go.:D

BTW, dont use the 7.7mm and mg151s together. you all might get confused that the 7.7mm tracers hitting the plane are MG 151 20MM. I think 1x MG 151s are a little bit slow as the MG/FF.

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« Reply #36 on: August 19, 2003, 05:17:32 PM »
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Look, I tried to give you some helpful advise, you threw it back in my face. Fine, I get your message. You're already taking lumps in this thread... maybe you just don't get it.
im one of those people who dont like taking advice..... just way i am. i like to learn my self. if wrong i just try couple more thing till i get it right. tried 109G10 couple time. ive learned not good turner, has that ability to have speed is be able to move unlike 109F4 that is the 1 thing i dont like about 109F4.  also 109G10 good buff killr. 30mm isn't good choice for 109G10 for me. only thing im taking advice in is 262. which wilbuz is helping me in. it has taken me a good 6 months since i started playing this game to get good at the bombsight and gunning in the b17 which i still cant gun that great in but ive proven i can kill 163's and 262 in the thing. lancs to.im still no good at gunning in those. got luck once and hit couple of pings on 163's wing. stress cause the wing to fall off. btw 6 months and im still no master like 99900 and tatertot are in the b17's but im coming close even though it might take 6 more months. o almost never bom with out bombsight any more. now if you excuse me ill go pork your hq and die bunch of times.



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« Reply #37 on: August 19, 2003, 05:28:01 PM »
Keep in mind, skull12 is.. 12. He also claimed to shoot down 6 163s with a stuka tailgun by aiming for the fuel tanks and porking entire HQs on the same run..


I didnt even bother starting to consider trying to help him. :)

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« Reply #38 on: August 19, 2003, 06:05:41 PM »
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btw 6 months and im still no master like 99900 and tatertot


I must agree here...999000 is the only "true" master as far as Aces High goes. ;)
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« Reply #39 on: August 19, 2003, 06:27:31 PM »
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BTW, dont use the 7.7mm and mg151s together. you all might get confused that the 7.7mm tracers hitting the plane are MG 151 20MM. I think 1x MG 151s are a little bit slow as the MG/FF.
Ike. One of the things I learned about flying the 109G with spud cannon was that you had to get very close before firing - 100 yards, 200 max. So I am in current practice for getting that close before firing. I think if you're that close and fire both weapons together, both will hit the target.

The only problem about waiting to get to 150 yards is that there'll probably be some dork in a F4U, spraying at the same target over your shoulder from 700 yards. I take back anything I said about killshooter. We need it for those dorks!

Hehe - I remember in Warpbirds trying for those 100 yard shots. It would end with a lag collision death 50% of the time, and a mishap with the "collision bubble" another 45% of the time.

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« Reply #40 on: August 20, 2003, 08:42:40 AM »
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actually, i ave found that if i hit someone fleeing at about 800 or so away with 7mm i can sometimes scareing them into commiting a turn


All this talk about the 109F got me to thinking about it some more, so last night I took one out for my last hop of the evening.

The map had just reset and us Rooks had jumped on the opportunity to get some quick bases on the eastern seaboard.  The Bish were in the process of recapturing the bases more inland and were running nuisance raids on the coastal base.  I decided to up a 109F to defend the base.

Since the frontline base had been porked to 25% fuel, I launched a 109F with gondolas and drop tank from our regular base to the south with the idea that I'd hot-pad for reload once I got over station.  On my way up the coast I spot a radar blip and mosey over to check it out.  Its a Corsair, a birdcage model, about 8k altitude heading inland.  I pickled the tank and went diving down.

What I forgot was that I had left my tracers turned on from my previous outing in a ground gun.  It didn't matter - the Corsair never saw me coming but my first few rounds flew past his canopy and he tried to go evasive, but by then the 20mm gondola rounds were impacting his airframe and he came apart.  Splash 1. :cool:

I hit WEP and climbed up, heading northeast into the airway from the nearest Bish base.  Sure enough, another radar blip comes up so I set myself up for an offset merge, so that I can keep an eye on the bogey while climbing.  I spot the dot and move a little closer.  Its a Spitfire.

As he goes flashing past, I recognize that its a Spitfire IX.  Surprisingly, the Spitfire doesn't engage, choosing instead to extend out towards the base.  I figure he's just out to get some quick points by de-acking the field so I go into pursuit, but he's faster than I am and the distance is growing to around d900, so I pop a few 7.7mm machine gun rounds over his head to try and spook him into turning.  He wiggles his wings, probably to see where I am am, then starts a gradual turn to the left to go evasive.  By now a couple more Rooks are on the scene and climbing up from the field but they're too low to engage.

Eventually the Spit rolls over onto his back and does a split-S, probably to engage the lower Rooks.  As he goes down, I stay upstairs.  I figure one of two things will happen: (a) he'll stay low and engage the lower Rooks or (b) climb up and lose his speed, at which point I'll have him.  Sure enough, he makes a guns pass on a lower Rook then pulls up into a loop.  I close the distance to d400 and start popping 20mm rounds but he's going into a twisting dive and I can't get anything to hit.  I manage to stay with him but can't pull enough lead in the turns to land a shot, so I keep flashing the small machine guns to scare him into turning sharper and sharper.  Eventually, he runs out of speed and goes nose up, then starts a turn to the left, silhouetting him beautifully against the sky.  Splash 2. :cool:

Now there's a P-51D coming in from the northwest and a Ki-61 coming in from the east.  The Mustang is the more aggressive pilot and he immediately goes nose-low to get some speed and make an attack run on me.  I evade and hit WEP to get my speed back.

The Mustang continues going down and strafes the lower Rooks, then makes a strafing run on the airfield and pulls up on the far side.  I chase him on the dive but can't catch him.  He pulls up then kicks right rudder and does a wing-over and starts coming back down. I try a snap-shot in his face but can't land a hit as he begins his dive.  I roll over and follow him down, but I don't pursue all the way down.  Instead, I level out at 5k over the field and wait for him to come up.  He does, and again he does the right-rudder wingover maneuver and goes back down for another strafing run, and again I miss the shot as he's hanging on his wingtip.  He goes back down but I stay topside and wait for him to come back up.  And again he comes back up, but by now he's lost some of his energy and he can't quite get the wingover to work.  I close to d300 and open up.  The gondolas bark once, twice, then are silent.  Empty! :eek:  I pepper him with the machine guns at d200 and manage to knock off his tail. Splash 3.  :D

Feeling pretty good about myself, and being low on ammo, I radio that I'm rtb and I cut my throttle, drop 2 notches of flaps and my gear, and set up my landing approach.  Right about the time I start wondering how many perk points I've earned, one of my countrymen radios "GoFaster, check 6", and then I hear the 20mm shells drill my fuselage.  

I had forgotten about the Ki-61.  :(

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« Reply #41 on: August 20, 2003, 09:25:09 AM »
Good sortie, gofaster. Wish you had filmed it. :cool: I've done what you were doing, and it works well against fast B&Zers - don't try to chase them through their strafing run, but just wait for them as they come back up. You and I have had to do that because of flying slower planes, by which I mean slower than the porkers' choice of P51/La7.

I tell you who taught me a lot about that total energy management - and that's an Israeli guy called ViFF - also known as snorkey in AH.

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« Reply #42 on: August 20, 2003, 02:04:05 PM »
You fellas need to drop the gondolas,

Those are for suckers....

Note the oversized gunsight on the 109f4, use the centerline cannon and mg's and practice..  no freaking gondolas (sissy sticks like in billiards)

109f4 has best ah gunsight of 109's... IMO

You got plenty of firepower if you hit the target...

This plane is no superplane like the g10 but is strong on all aspects except fuel and firepower( questionable)

In the 15k - 20k range this aircraft can fight any other aircraft in the game on near equal footing..

I would link your cannon and mg's into one trigger pull..  This nonsense of 151's dropping under the mg's may be correct if your shooting above 500m but at 300m and less (mine's at 275m) your bullets go where you aim them.  If you shooting above 500m in the first place youve got the wrong plane...

enjoy the F model...


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« Reply #43 on: August 20, 2003, 02:57:07 PM »
I've got my guns mapped 3 ways: all, primary, secondary.  I rarely fire the cannons by themselves, but I do fire the MGs alone when strafing AA guns or scaring targets.

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« Reply #44 on: August 20, 2003, 05:49:55 PM »
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Originally posted by B17Skull12
have i said i was master?no i didn't. i know for a fact.im not a master. had more luck HO today. was about to stall out and tiffy diving on me took HO shot he takes 2 pings..............his wing falls off. i just uped 190 coming to me take HO shot his wing falls off with 2 3 pings.ewhat i normal will do is get on the spits 9 or 3 clock at about 1k away turn on his 6 and what him speed away. ive been flying the il2 alday today cause these bish gv dweebs.

i will be master by end of touror next tour:rolleyes:
pratice makes perfect.

skull12



It would be wise to listen to some of the people posting in this thread.  Some of them have been flying online sims almost as long as you've been around on this planet and are only trying to help you out.

Some times the cockiness of youth closes your mind to other possibilities I guess.


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