Author Topic: Has any single plane ever saved so many lives? (Read 2634 times)

Animal · « **Reply #60 on:** August 19, 2003, 09:51:32 PM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Animal tell us all how many young American lives had to be sacrificed in an invasion of Japan to satisfy your moral vanity some 60 years removed

But since you obviously dont care, let me just point out that over 100,000 thousand Japanese civilans alone died in the Okinawa invasion.

May I suggest you pull out a map and an encyclopedia to compare the size of Okinawa and her population to that of the main Japanese islands...

I know its icky, but can you read? some?

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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
No, the only part Animal forgot in his little analogy was the fact that the poor "incapicitated" burglar was still wildly thrashing the man's body with a machette.

If you seriously believe Japan's military wasn't prepared to fight to the death, do you seriously believe Hitler wasn't hell bent on genocide? You must.
-SW

No, his machete was removed, and he was too tired, starved, and thirsty to keep fighting.
Just like Japan's navy and air force was decimated and they had no resources to create any more of that. All they could have left was what they were saving for the final ground war. Rifles that could not reach B-29's and a blockade miles off shore.

The machete was Midway and Okinawa, and now it was used against him.

An invasion would have been unnecessary. But then again, Japanese are bloodthirsty zealots who would have rather die off waiting for an attack than surrender. All of them. Sure.

Humans are all the same.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #61 on:** August 19, 2003, 09:53:53 PM »

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Originally posted by Animal

An invasion would have been unnecessary.

I like that! Starve a nation of a hundred million to death!!! Devious!

Or maybe they should just have parked off shore and sang kumbaya to the japanese fanatic army..

Animal you're a smart guy but hell the hell are you so naive?

And Humans are not all the same. The nazis were very very human, but they were not the same as you, are they?

Toad · « **Reply #62 on:** August 19, 2003, 09:56:08 PM »

Hey Grun... Eddie just got a dual control Yak. He has two now and he's going to give rides in the dual control. Very pretty airplane in the gray camo scheme.

Animal · « **Reply #63 on:** August 19, 2003, 09:56:21 PM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
I like that! Starve a nation of a hundred million to death!!! Devious!

Have you studied history? Do not underestimate the Japanese land and its people.
The Japanese sustained themselves in total isolation for centuries. With primitive technology. In a few months they can adapt and produce enough food. What they cant produce is weapons.

Skuzzy · « **Reply #64 on:** August 19, 2003, 09:58:10 PM »

Uhmm, may I interject that you folks are arguing about something that has already taken place and nothing you can say will change that, so why argue about it?
Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but let's try not to abuse it.

AKS\/\/ulfe · « **Reply #65 on:** August 19, 2003, 09:58:44 PM »

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Originally posted by Animal
No, because did not have enough fuel for ships or planes. All they could have left was what they were saving for the final ground war. Rifles that could not reach B-29's and a blockade miles off shore.

What were all those aircraft doing in the air intercepting the B-29s? Why were there Kamikazee attacks using aircraft stripped of their armaments loaded with explosives on allied battle fleets? Why were they building Bakas designed as a one way flight straight into a ship? Bakas used rocket fuel, not aviation fuel too.

There was plenty fuel left, aircraft, and ignorant young pilots prepared to launch one last hurrah at what would of probably been the bloodiest battle in history.

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Originally posted by Animal
An invasion would have been unnecessary.

Interesting, why were no peace talks formed then? Japan would of not surrendered, they were prepared to fight to the end. Unless of course you want one of those blockades, which is far worse than any amount of munitions. Now you have people starving to death, ask someone who was in a labor death camp or a concentration camp how fun that is.

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Originally posted by Animal
But then again, Japanese are bloodthirsty zealots who would have rather die off waiting for an attack than surrender. All of them. Sure.

I was waiting for this. That is perhaps the worst form of an argument to ever flow from a person's mouth or from someone's keyboard.

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Originally posted by Animal
Humans are all the same.

They all get brainwashed differently.
-SW

Animal · « **Reply #66 on:** August 19, 2003, 10:00:26 PM »

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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe

They all get brainwashed differently.
-SW

Exactly what I was thinking.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #67 on:** August 19, 2003, 10:00:36 PM »

I love it when a guy sinks his own argument... If the Japanese could sustain themselves despite a blocade then why would they bother to officialy surrender and end the war with a US fleet offshore and no invasion, remember you said none was neccesary?

Why not just sit back safe and welll fed developingfor example biological weapons and fitting them their little baloons for a nice ride across the ocean?

How and why exactly would the war end in your scenario?

AKS\/\/ulfe · « **Reply #68 on:** August 19, 2003, 10:01:48 PM »

Great counter argument, unfortunately I have actually educated myself on the final months of the war in the Pacific. Apparently you have not.

Bye indeed.
-SW

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #69 on:** August 19, 2003, 10:02:35 PM »

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Originally posted by Toad
Hey Grun... Eddie just got a dual control Yak. He has two now and he's going to give rides in the dual control. Very pretty airplane in the gray camo scheme.

Kewl...

The jump seat in the red one looked awul cramped, hopefully trhis is a bit more roomy..

Martlet · « **Reply #70 on:** August 19, 2003, 10:18:15 PM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
I love it when a guy sinks his own argument... If the Japanese could sustain themselves despite a blocade then why would they bother to officialy surrender and end the war with a US fleet offshore and no invasion, remember you said none was neccesary?

Why not just sit back safe and welll fed developingfor example biological weapons and fitting them their little baloons for a nice ride across the ocean?

How and why exactly would the war end in your scenario?

I was going to pounce on that myself.

DiabloTX · « **Reply #71 on:** August 19, 2003, 10:59:44 PM »

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Originally posted by Animal
Just like Japan's navy and air force was decimated and they had no resources to create any more of that.

Will give you the nod to the IJN being decimated. The rest is incorrect. Estimates are the IJA still had 2,000,000 men in uniform on the mainland as well as 9,000 aircraft to defend it. You do the math.

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #72 on:** August 19, 2003, 11:54:20 PM »

My Uncle was 17 years old, just out of training, and three days on the Pacific when the Bomb saved his life.

He was Underwater Demolition, and was slated for the invasion of the home islands.

Talk to him and you realize that the only reason you can talk to him is because of men like Oppenheimer and Tibbets.

Rino · « **Reply #73 on:** August 20, 2003, 01:10:06 AM »

Why is it that people like Animal only seem to care about
non-American losses? If I have a weapon that is going to
save my friends and family, damn skippy I'm gonna use it.

Nice to have the option of second guessing sixty years
after the fact, especially when you throw in a particularly vile
political slant. Bah!

Rino

Puke · « **Reply #74 on:** August 20, 2003, 02:10:37 AM »

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The Japanese sustained themselves in total isolation for centuries. With primitive technology. In a few months they can adapt and produce enough food. -Animal

I saw that too and my head just about spun off my shoulders. LOL

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Do not underestimate the Japanese land and its people. - Animal

Truman didn't, so he dropped the big one on them.