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« on: August 20, 2003, 02:31:42 PM »
50 years ago the future was about a lot of space travel and humanoid intelligent robots, then about virtual reality and so on...
Nowadays we have home computers and GPS and cellphones, which haven't sparked the imagination of many science fiction writers.
Kinda funny if you think about it.

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« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2003, 02:42:12 PM »
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50 years ago the future was about a lot of space travel and humanoid intelligent robots, then about virtual reality and so on...
Nowadays we have home computers and GPS and cellphones, which haven't sparked the imagination of many science fiction writers.
Kinda funny if you think about it.


How so?  Are you saying past writers didn't envision these technologies 50 yrs ago?

Let's see...

Star Trek had hand helds that could communicate over long distance(cell phones), 1984 told the story of a society where your every move is monitored(GPS), and I'm sure there are at least half a dozen stories about beling plugged into the collective(home computers with internet access).

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« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2003, 04:26:10 PM »
well, actually, I can't make the connection between 1984 and GPS. In 1984 the monitoring was via a 2 way screen in every apartment.
The communicators in Star-Trek function more like walkie-talkies than phones.
Come on, most of the technologies envisioned in the past have not come to fruition, while othe technologies nobody dreamt of are everyday occurence!

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« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2003, 05:03:04 PM »
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well, actually, I can't make the connection between 1984 and GPS. In 1984 the monitoring was via a 2 way screen in every apartment.


Ok, you caught me on that one. I have yet to read 1984.  However, the 2-way screen is being done today, via telephone.

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The communicators in Star-Trek function more like walkie-talkies than phones.


No they don't. The communication is still open channel, does not make use of words to signify the end of one segment of communication(Ex: "What is the status of the ship? Over").

The writers just do not have two people trying to talk over one another on the communicator.  Those situations are confusing enough in real life.

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Come on, most of the technologies envisioned in the past have not come to fruition, while othe technologies nobody dreamt of are everyday occurence!


The big lie sells easier.  As does the truly fantastic.  There is probably as well the aspect of the authors not knowing how difficult it would be to create certain technologies(likely they weren't astrophysicist, or engineers).

But we do have variations of the techs you brought up.  They just aren't as developed yet.  Japan made a walking robot that can traverse stairs, we have game playing computers(abeit, not as good as a human though), and we are in space, but not on Mars.

And another aspect is that authors focused on the darker, social aspects of the techs, instead of the techs themselves.  Selling fear is easy and good business for novelists and directors of alledged documentaries.

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« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2003, 05:10:36 PM »
What I think is funny is that as recent as 20 years ago (1980's) futurists were envisioning the sleek, efficient automobiles that the new century would bring.

I don't recall any of them predicting that 3 of 4 cars on the road would be big, square, SUVs that look remarkably like the Jeep Wagoneers and Chevy Suburbans of the '70 and 80's and still getting 15 MPG.

Go figure.

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« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2003, 05:28:43 PM »
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What I think is funny is that as recent as 20 years ago (1980's) futurists were envisioning the sleek, efficient automobiles that the new century would bring.

I don't recall any of them predicting that 3 of 4 cars on the road would be big, square, SUVs that look remarkably like the Jeep Wagoneers and Chevy Suburbans of the '70 and 80's and still getting 15 MPG.

Go figure.


Romanticsm without regard to family needs. Twenty years ago marriage was out, and staying sleek, single and free was everything.  Who would have thought that people would still breed against preaching of pop culture:)

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« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2003, 07:42:08 PM »
Funny you should mention this.  Right now I'm reading Toffler's "Future Shock."  It is amazing how bang on he was about how the future was going to be.  Particularily in regard to Medical Science, Modularization, and Transcience.

Interesting stuff.:eek:

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« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2003, 07:49:56 PM »
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Funny you should mention this.  Right now I'm reading Toffler's "Future Shock."  It is amazing how bang on he was about how the future was going to be.  Particularily in regard to Medical Science, Modularization, and Transcience.

Interesting stuff.:eek:



Hmmm...Four stars at Amazon, and another I want to get Gibson's "Mona Lisa Overdrive" is 4 1/2. I will keep this in mind for the next book run.

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« Reply #8 on: August 20, 2003, 09:20:48 PM »
I guess, at some point in time, every technology will become available. Nobody knows how soon though...
Speaking of soon, I feel that flying cars will hit the market in the next 10 years. There's Mohler Skycar, the Israelis with their Hawk and another one that changes from airplane to autmobile, check oout http://www.aerospectives.com

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« Reply #9 on: August 20, 2003, 10:08:36 PM »
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I guess, at some point in time, every technology will become available. Nobody knows how soon though...
Speaking of soon, I feel that flying cars will hit the market in the next 10 years. There's Mohler Skycar, the Israelis with their Hawk and another one that changes from airplane to autmobile, check oout http://www.aerospectives.com


No friggin pictures, just a bunch of hype:mad:

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« Reply #10 on: August 21, 2003, 07:07:21 AM »
I read Jules Vern's From the Earth to the Moon a while ago and was amazed at how much of the space program he predicted.

He even had Houstan picked as the base for the mission. Imagine that when the book was written over a hundred years ago..

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« Reply #11 on: August 21, 2003, 11:53:21 AM »
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I read Jules Vern's From the Earth to the Moon a while ago and was amazed at how much of the space program he predicted.

He even had Houstan picked as the base for the mission. Imagine that when the book was written over a hundred years ago..



Jules Verne did predict most of the fundamental transportation technologies of today.
Btw, the place he picked up for the cannon that launched a capsule into space was Tampa.
However, if you read his book-Paris in the 20th century, you can see that his picture of the future is dead wrong. Although he has written about flying machines in countless books he doesn't mention them as part of the future. In fact, his vision is basically an overextended Victorian era, where things are just bigger (ships,record books, cities)

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« Reply #12 on: August 21, 2003, 01:06:27 PM »
"Roswell, NM. '47"  

Amazing how much America's technology had advanced from '47 to '03.

  The Truth is out There!


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« Reply #13 on: August 21, 2003, 02:51:29 PM »
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"Roswell, NM. '47"  

Amazing how much America's technology had advanced from '47 to '03.

  The Truth is out There!


:D


Actually, if you're referring to the Aerospace field, Germany, 1939-1945

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« Reply #14 on: August 22, 2003, 09:43:24 AM »
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Jules Verne did predict most of the fundamental transportation technologies of today.
Btw, the place he picked up for the cannon that launched a capsule into space was Tampa.


I remember him picking Tampa as the place where the launch took place but I also seem to remember Houstan was where the radio was or the project was run out of.

I could be wrong as I read the book 20 years ago.

What stuck me at the time was why the hell would he not have said the launch took place out of London or Germany or France. To pick Florida at that time seem absolutely spooky.