Am I the only one stupid enought to still fly the P47?

[StSanta]

How does the Jug compare to the 190A8?

A5's are also fairly rare, and A('s exceedingly so.

I imagina climb rate and acceleration is better in the Jug, aas is air to ground ordnance. With guns, well, the extra range of the .50's shoould make up for asomething, especially in a z&b'er. We're not talking .5's vs Hispanos but vs Mausers  .

Once there were loads of P-47's, then they figured out it was porked. That happened to A5 too, back in ye olde days.

You should be sorta pleased Frenchy; means you're part of an elite group of pilots  

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StSanta
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"

[funked]

Santa, climb rate and acceleration and sustained turning are pretty similar between Jug and A-8.  The main difference is that the A-8 is faster on the deck, and the Jug is faster above 15k or so.

[Replicant]

Westy, you don't need no Spitfire IX, you fly that P47 like a Spitfire IX!!  

Salute

Nexx

[Sancho]

My main ride was always the Jug.  I joined the 48th FG because they were mostly Jug drivers at the beginning and I wanted to master this beast.  I had a 3.8 k/d in Tour 8, then went to 1.6 in Tour 9.  I guess my squad has moved away from the P-47 towards the Pony and the Lightning, and I've started to believe that I can't get kills in the Jug anymore.  

I don't know if anything is wrong with the Jug, but it seems to be slower and accelerate slower than any other fighter in the arena, even when it's nose is pointed straight at the deck.  You screw up in ACM (as I often do) and it's impossible to escape--that used to not be the case.  

[Mark Luper]

I still fly the 47 a lot. It still is my main ride. Always liked the plane, always will. My score? Don't know, rarely look at it. Maybe because I aint so good? Probably  .

It does take some patience to fly it, I normally fly the -25 for two reasons:

1) I grew up in Brazil and there is an emotional attachment there.

2) I think it maneuvers a little bit better slow than the -30.

I don't think it's FM has changed since Version 1.03 but I do think that other planes have become much better. I suck at Jabo so I really mostly fly it as a fighter and buff hunter. I find if I use the 267 rounds per gun option and 50% fuel with one drop tank (that I release when I enter combat) that it doesn't feel quite as much as a brick and can actually maneuver pretty well.

Like Sancho, I joined the 48th Fighter Group for the same reason, it was a 47 group. Like the other members of the squad I do fly other planes on occasion but allways go back to my trusty Jug.

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MarkAT

"It is not the critic who counts,
it is the man in the arena..."
Teddy Roosevelt

[Hajo]

correct me if I'm wrong, but do I notice more Niks' Tiffies and Chogs up more during this lastest patch?  I see fewer FWs' and P-47s in the air now.  One would think that would not be the case considering the war time records of both the 47 and FW.  The Niks wartime record was inconsistant at best because of the relaibility of their engines, seems Japanese pilots when scrambled to intercept incoming B-29s, didn't know if their Niks would be able to get the same alt as the B-29s, the ones that did fly with good engines did well, but they were few.  As for the tiffie it was a low level performer at best.  The P-47s' two stage blower supposedly gave it good low alt performance also.  The FW was a good interceptor period, have gun cam film to prove it, and the chog didn't show up in enough numbers to establish a viable record.  Am I wrong? As I quite frequently am, or do some of you notice the same thing I do????  

[Torgo]

Back in Warbirds (I've sort of taken a hiatus of 1-2 years and restarted playing in AH exclusively)....

The 47 wasn't much of an arena plane.

But, in large 8th Air Force scenarios, with large groups of planes, at high altitude, vs. historical opponents, the 47 did very well.

Having tight wingmen, etc. is more important to the 47 than almost any other plane.

The nature of the MA is the exact environment that highlights the 47's weaknesses and diminishes its strengths. Groups of 8+ planes escorting bombers at 27,000 feet vs. 109s and 190s is the exact environment that highlights the 47's strengths and diminishes its weaknesses.

When AH gets around to a 1944/1945 Western Europe scenario you guys will have your day.

[Westy]

 Thank you Nexx. That's one of the nicest compliments I've ever had here.  

<S>

-Westy

[NUTTZ]

Halo, I believe the greatness of the JUG IRL was the pilots and excellent winging, A single jug is just dead meat, thats the difference.
NUTTZ

 

Originally posted by Hajo:
One would think from their record in combat that the P-47 would do very well in AH.  Supposedly it could corkscrew outclimb anything with that big radial powerplant.  It could also outdive anything.  It's low level performance was just as good as high level with that two stage blower.  Robert Johnson said the reason that P-51 pilots did so well was because all the Jug drivers killed or wounded the best LW pilots before the P-51 got into service, of course, he was biased.  But he could have a point.....something to think about anyway.

[jihad]

 LOL Frenchy,you know I still fly it-ya killed me in it 4x two days ago.  

Tour 6:  jihad has 121 kills and has been killed 60 times in the P-47-D30.


Tour 7:  jihad has 97 kills and has been killed 51 times in the P-47-D30.


Tour 8: jihad has 30 kills and has been killed 21 times in the P-47-D30.


Tour 9:  jihad has 30 kills and has been killed 37 times in the P-47-D30.


  Something has definitely changed,it seems slower,it has a horrible mush at the top of zoom/reversals, <may be my lousy Logitech stick> sure hope it gets ironed out next release.

[This message has been edited by jihad (edited 10-28-2000).]

[SFRT - Frenchy]

First of all, thx you guys for sharing your POV with me. I particualrly appreciated that you didn't start the endless,"the P47 should...as much as...blahblah"  

I also think that other planes increased their performances. Before I could bleed the E of the other guy, even a Spit by a series of manouevers and then I was "controling the fight". With new E retention, I think some planes got a rebirth (maybe rightfully, i don't know) and now are able to come back pointing the nose at you when u are at the top of your zoom, even with more E.

I think people got away from the P47, also because of the return of the beta terrain. Not picking on this terrain here, but bases are closer, and usually this arena is gang bang alley, where u see a cloud of fighter from Ax going agains a cloub of fighter from Ax'.
Most of those furballs, "forces the P47" pilot to "go in" and usually get's jumped couple of min laters by an another bandit fuelling the fight. In previous terrain, we had more space and I could  always find a way to have a 1V1, 1V2, 2V2 and it was possible to survive because if you shot down both of them after a hard fight, u usually end up low/slow but can go home cause nobody around.
In this arena, after u sweat to kill a yak for example, when u check 6 you see a niki or whatever dive on you, well u toasted  

Off course the solution is to stick to B&Z or run when a Spit/Niki/Yak/Zeke comes around, but it's way less fun.

As far as i'm concerned, I have way more fun to kill a Spit in a "tight fight" rather than a 5kills run where I purelly "B&Z, hit and run".

No offense there, it's my POV only, not a critic.

My only concern so far about the P47 is the Wep of the D30. When I fly level at 5,000ft and I kick it on, I gained 5 MPH only when I run out of Wep. HTC charts states 15MPH, but looks like it happens on my computer only  , Pyro was kind enought to check it and couldn't reproduce it.

Salute all, to P47 lovers (feel free to contact me for wingging on TxT 115/RW 115), salute to people who are dedicated to other planes (202 comes to mind  , and salute to all the others, even the so called Whatever Dweeb, who at least provide target for us and makes us sweat    

[Westy]

That does sum it up pretty much Frenchy. After 1.04 was released and 'somehting' happened to the Jug I tried to fly the 38 again, but that was even worse.  I loved the 202 and 205. Even the G2 and G6. I never fly the Spitfire or the Mustang. One is to easy and the 51 I find very hard to control. If I went for the the Niki and F4U, I felt like I was jumping on the train with everyone esle. I like to be 'different' so back to the Jug I went.
 and I have to say I had a blast this afternoon. My highest run was 5 kills at A3 [cod bless ya Dux   ] and no rearm.  All low alt, all turning and burning. The Jug surprises the HELL out of many people. That;s for sure.
 I found a neat trick and that is to go into a tight downward corkscrew/spiral to defend against a bogy(s) that got onto your "six". Works very well. Do that and when you're ready, pull sharply pull up and roll and you'll find it puts you back on thier tail most often or at least it breaks up thier attack - big time. Not much can roll with a Jug.  Of course, don't run out of air and corkscrew into the mud  

 -Westy

[eddiek]

Frenchy, I have to admit I backed off on the Jug when it seemed the others had not only caught up to it in performance, but actually passed it by.

Tour 7:

eddiek had 147 kills, 71 deaths in P47D-30
eddiek had 5 kills, 2 deaths in P47D-25

Tour 8:

eddiek had 25 kills, 17 deaths in P47D-30
eddiek had 1 kill, 1 death in P47D-25

Tour 9:

eddiek has 8 kills, 9 deaths in P47D-30

My overall K/D ratio went downhill from Tour 7 to Tour 9.........like from around 1.5 to 0.5...........lol.

This Logitech Wingman Digital Xtreme 3D stick unexplainably went haywire on me, and I had 25 deaths from that alone.  It is working better than ever now........who knows why?  

After reading your post Frenchy into the MA and took a Jug up........took down a 205 less than a mile from the field, then goofed up and let Scipio and his evil Spit get on me......BOOM!

Reupped, went and kilt a C-Hog, then 2 Spits.....(one of them was Scipio...hehehehe)..then rtb to get ready for work.
I think we got caught by surprise when 1.04 came out, cause planes that we used to handle well suddenly ate us alive......  
Have decided to keep my butt in my beloved Jug and try to regain the skills I lost while I was wandering in the "what should I fly" wilderness.
Cya in the air, Frenchy!  <S>!!

[jihad]

This Logitech Wingman Digital Xtreme 3D stick unexplainably went haywire on me, and I had 25 deaths from that alone. It is working better than ever now........who knows why?

 AHA!

 Frenchy and I both use the same stick as you,and mines been giving me hell since 1.04 came out.
 I suspect a compatibility issue with Logitech software.

[SFRT - Frenchy]

mine worked great till last week. Some slight rudder movements and I have a "move too fast"...anyoing in combat. I just think it's my stick who's getting wacked after 3 months of use.