Author Topic: ch pro pedals "want to use like old ch pedals (like car pedals) not sliding  (Read 823 times)

Offline yipi

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I bought the new usb CH pro pedals. I was using the Old CH pedals that acted like car pedals and didnt have sliding pedals like the new Pro has.  I can only get the Pro pedals to work as sliding pedals, They can also be used like the old pedals ( car pedals but I cant figure out how to configure them. Need Help.

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ch pro pedals "want to use like old ch pedals (like car pedals) not sliding
« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2003, 01:47:41 PM »
The axis show up in the AH calibration window.  One I believe moves down the right side, the other across the top of the box displaying inputs


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« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2003, 04:59:50 PM »
Yipi:

It is a "relatively" simple thing to do using CH Control Manager 2.x's scripting ability.  The old Pedals "combined" the two axes into a single rudder input "electrically" (i.e., using a resistor network) when the switch was set to "plane."  As you know, there is no such switch on the Pro Pedals, so you have to combine the two axes programmatically (i.e., you have to write a simple script to do it).  

Here is a simple one-line script that accomplishes the feat:

cms.a1 = 127 + (js3.a2 - js3.a1)/2;

The script assumes that your pro pedals are the third controller in the map (i.e., that they are the third tab from the left, after a stick and throttle, most likely).  If not, just change the two occurrences of "js3" to "js1" or "js2", as appropriate.  

In the one-line script above, js3.a1 is the left toe brake axis and js3.a2 is the right toe brake axis.  This is just the way that Control Manager defines them (note that the physical rudder axis is js3.a3) and is evident from the Control Manager GUI.  You can figure out why the simple one-line equation works with the following information:  When not depressed, each toe axis registers a value of 0 and when fully depressed each registers a value of 255.  The physical rudder is zero when fully left, 127 (or 128) when centered, and 255 when fully right.

Note that this will work only if your map has CMS scripting enabled, so that there is a "CMS Controls" tab in the Control Manager GUI.  Click on the CMS Controls tab and assign the "A1" axis to whatever DirectX axis you want to be the rudder input.  For example, you can use "CM Device 1, R Axis" if you want.

If you have no experience with Control Manager, this may seem a bit confusing.  If you want to send me a profile with CMS controls enabled, I will insert this bit of functionality and send it back to you.

I hope this is helpful,

JNOV

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ch pro pedals "want to use like old ch pedals (like car pedals) not sliding
« Reply #3 on: August 23, 2003, 02:21:31 PM »
Yipi: I've had the same problem for two years and I haven't been able to figure it out.

Lonestar:  Thanks for trying to help but try to understand what you just described looks like to someone that just wants a software switch that says 'Plane/Car'.  Again, no disrespect intended.

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« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2003, 04:03:02 PM »
Otto:

I do understand  :)  That's why I offered to alter Yipi's profile to include the functionality I described.  I'll do the same for you if you'll send me your profile.

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« Reply #5 on: August 23, 2003, 09:12:04 PM »
Lonestar I would like to send you my map file but I don't have your email address to send the file.  My email is LOUVILJLJ@yahoo.com   I have the Pro Throttle and Pro pedals, which I use a logitec stick with. I don't really have anything particular done with my map file so If you just want to send me a generic map file with the script done I can proboby use it as an example of what I need to do.

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« Reply #6 on: August 24, 2003, 12:31:26 AM »
Yipi:

I thought I replied to your earlier e-mail, but I guess you didn't get it.  OK, I will put together a generic profile, with the rudder functionality included.  I'll map the axes as follows:

Throttle:  CM Device 1, Z Axis
Rudder:  CM Device 1, R Axis

You will actuate the rudder with the toe pedals, rather than with the rotating axis.

Good luck!

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« Reply #7 on: August 24, 2003, 12:41:36 AM »
Yipi:

I sent you the files.  I hope they work for you!

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ch pro pedals "want to use like old ch pedals (like car pedals) not sliding
« Reply #8 on: August 24, 2003, 06:18:00 AM »
On the physical side, when you bought your CH Pro pedals they came with a pair of chocks that will immobilize the pedals 'sliding' movement.

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« Reply #9 on: August 24, 2003, 04:10:55 PM »
OK, I just DL'd the latest version of CH Control Manager.  I just might be able to figure this out.   Thanks LoneStar....

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« Reply #10 on: August 25, 2003, 03:39:55 PM »
I assume all you have the throttle and joystick. I dont have the rudders, but I do have the pro thottle and flighstick. but i cant get them to work at all!! do any og you have a map for these that i can have, and can any of you tell me why i cant get them to work in the game??
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« Reply #11 on: August 26, 2003, 11:35:41 PM »
I got your map and cms file and put them in my chproducts/chmanager/map folder.  I then ran Ch control manager and loaded the map file. When I saved it my mouse went crazy. Had to reboot and go in saw that you had the throttle mapped with some buttons as a mouse changed them to ch device 1. Saved and used download to map it current. When I loaded Aces high and chose cm device 1 rudder does not show a r axis as an option. When I went back and ran ch control manager pedals as being no device. I guessing the map file is not good. The script file seems to be ok  // CMS Script File
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//     Game Title:
//     Written By:
//           Date:
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script

// Virtual rudder axis, created by
// mixing physical toe brake axes
cms.a1 = 127 + (js2.a2 - js2.a1)/2;

endScript


When I view the rudder a1 or a2 what should the setting be?
A1
Direct x mode selected
Dx device - Cm device 1
Dx axis R
What should A2 be?

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« Reply #12 on: August 28, 2003, 10:38:25 AM »
Yipi:

Sorry you're having problems.  The reason your mouse went crazy is because your ministick is not centered (It doesn't seem to recenter automatically.  Mine sticks in the offset horizontal position a bit and I have to nudge it back to center).  I probably forgot to put in a deadband.  On mine, I use a deadband of about 25% for the two mouse axes.  To be safe, load the map and uncheck the DirectX mode boxes for the X and Y mouse axes.  That will disable the mouse action for certain.

To test the map, download it and select "Test/Calibrate" from the toolbar.  Click on CM Device 1.  Move the toe brakes and the "R" axis should respond accordingly.  If that does not work, then something is wrong.  If it does, then AH should see the "R" axis.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by "[w]hen I went back and ran ch control manager pedals as being no device. "  With this map, the physical rudder axis SHOULD NOT be set to "CM Device 1 R Axis."  To be sure, go to the rudder axis and click off DirectX mode.  Instead, the "CM Device 1 R Axis" is controlled by the VIRTUAL CMS A1 axis.  If you click on the CMS tab in the profile and click on the A1 oval, on the right side of the display you should see that the CMS A1 axis is in DirectX mode and assigned to control CM Device 1 R Axis.  If not, something is wrong.  If so, then AH should recognize the CM Device 1 R axis.  

If you still cannot get this to work, I suppose you and I are having some sort of fundamental understanding and perhaps we need to speak while you are trying to get this worked out.  I'm happy to do that, and I'll send you my telephone number if you send me another e-mail asking for it.

Good luck!

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« Reply #13 on: September 02, 2003, 09:28:02 PM »
CH Products Technical support sucks big time. After 3 unsuccessful attempts to get help from them on the pedals I gave up. They said they don't support Script programming for thier pedals, sticks, trottles. I thought what I was asking should be supported. I just wanted my new pedals to work like my old pedals. They should provide support if you would rather use the up down motion instead of sliding motion for pedals. I'm not really interested in spending my time learing script just give me a button to push. I am going to take a break from trying to get the pedals to work and maybe I will have enough interest later to figure it out.