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Offline type_char

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« Reply #15 on: August 21, 2003, 04:49:45 PM »
Well I've never been to Japan or Germany so I can only infer on how the people are today. BG does bring up a valid point. Perhaps a monument or two in Japan paying tribute to the carnage at Pearl Harbor and elsewhere is due as they are responible for starting the war as is Germany. Thats an issue between governments though in my opinion. As far as the people are concerned, I think they are not the same.
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« Reply #16 on: August 21, 2003, 05:00:46 PM »
Japanese fully acknowledged what went on in WWII long before Germany.  Take a look at their constitution formed promptly at the end of the war, preventing what had happened from ever happening again.  I think you will largely find proud peoples of the world would rather move on than hang past laundry out to dry again.  

History is not censored it is recorded.  As stated in other posts, it's the quality of your source.  My advice, pick many sources....

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« Reply #17 on: August 21, 2003, 05:05:33 PM »
Gee I thought we where all playing a game here?
Enough of the heavy stuff man :D

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« Reply #18 on: August 21, 2003, 05:17:11 PM »
BGB,  There are some atrocities performed by the Japanese in China during WW2 that are not allowed to be taught in Japan.  I'm sure someone around here knows more details.

I took one-year of Indian Studies from an instructor in JC who was raised on a reservation and I don't think anything was really glossed over or purposely hidden.  One of a handfull of teachers I'll always remember and two really good courses.  

I doubt this has anything to do with another thread, I think Skuzzy is being paranoid.  Good that Germany is erecting a monument.
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« Reply #19 on: August 21, 2003, 05:27:21 PM »
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
LOL!

Speaking of which, Im gonna rent "1941" again.


HA! Rent! I bought it at wallyworld for 5 bucks last year!

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« Reply #20 on: August 21, 2003, 05:43:21 PM »
"I know being a German american..we were taught extremly little of the slaughetr of Indians in America.."

No kidding...

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« Reply #21 on: August 21, 2003, 06:16:41 PM »
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I know being a German american..we were taught extremly little of the slaughetr of Indians in America..



This is something that you have to research on your own in most school systems! The story of Chief Joseph and the Nez Perce is a good place to start!
http://www.pbs.org/weta/thewest/people/a_c/chiefjoseph.htm
The book is better, but you may not like what you see!!
  Proceed with caution! :)
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« Reply #22 on: August 21, 2003, 06:38:11 PM »
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LOL!

Speaking of which, Im gonna rent "1941" again.
Right actor... wrong movie.  That's a classic Animal House line.

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« Reply #23 on: August 21, 2003, 06:47:12 PM »
funny i was going to erase this and put it in the history BB..thuis iw wrong forum i guess..


I just read the Germans monument to the holocuast..which was designed by an American..kind of funny it was an american..

Skuzzy it partly was....just reading the -crimes- that were posted about the japanese in Asia,,just brougth back questions to me.. I understand it was posted on a "best plane" and not about the details of japanese attaks


but its been a long tiem since i have heard about or read what the japanese/ germans do to recoginize what they did to so many humans


i know the japanese have monuments at the"abomb" sites..but what about all the Asian stuff they did..bio-chem-holocuast stuff? in china and the other southern asian countries   any memorials?

I guess i figure they "public schools" in japan/germany  are teaching about as much as the US ' spublic schools are teaching


and,,udet..omg..i dont really wacth my typing..but my topic i sspeelled wrong..:(...dammit

Again..i should of posted this in History forum..

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« Reply #24 on: August 21, 2003, 09:06:42 PM »
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LOL!

Speaking of which, Im gonna rent "1941" again.



Wrong movie, that would be an Animal House quote

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« Reply #25 on: August 21, 2003, 10:43:55 PM »
You dont have to look so far in the map for sensored history...

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« Reply #26 on: August 21, 2003, 11:02:21 PM »
Originally posted by type_char
I need a new quote about the history of burning books and propoganda and the starvation, control, and eventual slaughter of inocent human lives throughout history.

Any suggestions?
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« Reply #27 on: August 21, 2003, 11:13:57 PM »
Just as a point of interest....

My aunt is a high school head mistress, and she quite often has Japanese (and other countries) students staying at her house for a term.
A while ago, she came home one evening to find a young Japanese student/ tenant of hers, sitting in front of a television, watching a documentary about the Japanese in Asia and the Pacific in WWII.
The poor guy was in tears, and asked her how she could possibly tolerate having Japanese students living in her home when the things he was seeing on TV were done by his countrymen.
He had NO IDEA about any of it, it was a complete shock to him, all he knew about WWII was that Japan was involved, and America had dropped two nukes on them.
He was ashamed and disturbed by what he saw, so much so that he wanted to know how she could put up with having Japanese people in her house.
To me, that says that young Japanese people didn't get taught the same things about WWII that I did.

My aunt explained to him that allthough it was indeed his countrymen that had commited these acts, he was in no way responsible for that, and to punish him, or his fellow youths, or in any way deny them something because of their history, would be a far greater crime on her part than any commited in the war by his forefathers, but that she was very pleased that the subject did concern him.
She suggested they take a trip to Canberra, to see the Australian War Museum, and apparently the young Japanese bloke walked around in a daze, saying over and over "I didn't know, I'm so sorry".

I get the distinct impression, that had he known beforehand the history of our two countries, and some of the incidents that occured between the two during WWII, that he very likely would not have come out here, for fear of being hated.
Now this is a 17 year old kid, very bright, very polite, and no matter how you look at it, Australia is a better place for having he and his peers here.
So, in some ways, perhaps it is for the better that our versions of history are differant, in other ways, perhaps not.

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« Reply #28 on: August 21, 2003, 11:19:17 PM »
Check out the study books for children in Japan...alot is covered up.  History rewritten.  No mention of the rape of Nantung nor that of captured Korean women that were forced to serve as "Comfort Women"  Raped repeatedly by Japanesse soldiers ... still today Japan refuses to admit those atrocities.

Please expand your minds a lil bit more.



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« Reply #29 on: August 21, 2003, 11:26:26 PM »
Just a note to ease the troubled minds...

BA in Asian Studies and Computer Science.
Read and Write Korean, Fluent in Korean, Japanesse, Cantonesse, and some German.

12 years in Asia. 4 years in Europe.

Not bad for a boy born in Toledo, OH.  '58.


Aight, I put on my robe and wizard hat now....



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