Author Topic: an another usefull patch (Read 1553 times)

R4M · « **Reply #30 on:** November 29, 2001, 05:26:00 PM »

RA. please. I wasn't saying that in a serious way. I'm glad the P51 is modelled as it should. I was just saying that if the business is the reason why the P47 is allowed to fly with an unrealistic loadout, then they could do other things too; wich they don't. So I have assume they DONT have business reason to allow an unrealistically loaded plane to be flown in the MA.

The P51 part was illustrative, not serious. And I do know that many american guys don't fly the P51. as I say is an Example, NOT serious

Wardog, nice piece of information! will look into it.

For your desire to see a Fw190F8 with wing bombs:

Can scan a couple of pics of an operationally deployed Fw190F8 with wing drop tanks too, if you want me to

More info in this thread:
http://www.hitechcreations.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=9&t=002839

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R4M · « **Reply #31 on:** November 29, 2001, 05:31:00 PM »

Quote

Originally posted by Am0n:

Since he's ignorant, i see he is still saying it cannot carry it all at once when in the last quote said "Up to 2500 lbs. of externally-mounted bombs, rockets, or other free-fall ordinance"

Hum, yes I'm very ignorant, but in that quote I read a lot of comas, and one "Or".

Where is the "AND"?

Oh, and Am0n, where's the pic? I dont see it...keep on searching

Once again, a P47D30 carrying wing 1000lb bombs COULDN't carry the 10 HVAR rockets. Neither it would get an overload MG loadout with all that much external weight anyway.

In AH you can get up in a P47 with two wing 1000lb bombs, 10 HVARs and eight overloaded-ammo Machineguns.Not to mention the center-line 500lb bomb. Quite realistic

Get your fact straight.

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GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #32 on:** November 29, 2001, 05:42:00 PM »

Please note that plane has a 500Kg and 2 250kb bomb, both are modeled in AH as of today. I would think it quite easy to add the wing bombs very quickly.

R4M · « **Reply #33 on:** November 29, 2001, 05:44:00 PM »

Grunherz:

Don't forget the drop tanks

Wardog · « **Reply #34 on:** November 29, 2001, 06:11:00 PM »

Ram..

This link list variants and production numbers for the p47. Also check out the specs for load outs..

2500lbs bombs or rockets, not both...
http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/research/p47.htm

Dog out...

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R4M · « **Reply #35 on:** November 29, 2001, 06:19:00 PM »

Nice link! (and not just for the weapon information). I've read in several books that the 10 wing HVAR load wasn't compatible with wing bombs so that link just confirm my point

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However I think that the tube-launched rockets (as the ones in the P47D25) could be loaded with wing bombs loaded too. I'm just not sure about the bomb size portable in that loadout. Think it was 500lbs, but could be 1000lbs too.

Thanks for the link, Wardog!. If you get links on the F8 rockets please share them too

SFRT - Frenchy · « **Reply #36 on:** November 29, 2001, 06:34:00 PM »

Ram, thank you for hijacking a positive thread

I like this pic :

I think you should look at this one too:

Ram, you need to be patient. HTC can't do everything at the same time. What do you think I felt when you guys were having the TA152, D9, F8 when my D30 was still missing the 300HP? I feel for the things you believe in Ram, but it doesn't give you the right to come storming "my thread". There is a "plane and vehicle" section for kindly expressing your thoughts

Olivier "Frenchy" Raunier

http://www.jump.net/~cs3" TARGET=_blank>63rd FS, 56th FG
"Zemke's Wolfpack"
Ammo cannot stand to pay our P47s repair bill anymore ...
Santa even talked about awarding me the Iron Cross!!!

ra · « **Reply #37 on:** November 29, 2001, 06:44:00 PM »

R4M,

Sorry, I guess I misunderstood about the P-51 thing. My bad.

But if the P-51 were to be porked like that you can bet not everyone flying it would be American.

The picture you posted is in Green's 'Warplanes of the Third Reich'. It is described as a 190A-5 test airframe modified to the F8 convention with the addition of 13mm cowl guns. The next picture in the book shows the same plane with 8 SC 50 bombracks. In the section where it describes the F8 it says that 4 ETC 50 bomb racks under the wings was standard.

A lot of the goodies the F8 was intended to carry were first tested on A5 or A8 airframes. I've never seen evidence that most of them were ever used operationally on the F8. By that late in the war, LW units probably had enough to worry about without learning how to field and operate new weapons, or loading their planes like bombers.

Most of the pictures I've ever seen of an F8 didn't even have wing racks.

Frenchy,

That P-47D carried so much stuff they needed a train to bring the ord to the plane!

ra

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SFRT - Frenchy · « **Reply #38 on:** November 29, 2001, 06:49:00 PM »

About the 1,000# bombs and the 10 rockets :

ra · « **Reply #39 on:** November 29, 2001, 06:51:00 PM »

Frenchy,

This one looks like a P-47N.

ra

SFRT - Frenchy · « **Reply #40 on:** November 29, 2001, 06:58:00 PM »

Yes it is indeed, what's the problem w/it?

Hehehe RA, rckts + 3 bombs ... you bet those rails were used for something

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Kieran · « **Reply #41 on:** November 29, 2001, 07:27:00 PM »

What I am finding suggests the F-8 was a test bed, so virtually anything is possible. While that supports Ram's contentions to a point, it should be noted there doesn't seem to be much evidence of widespread usage of the combination of weapons suggested.

In any event it's too bad that good a good patch had to be slapped so vigorously on release, especially with the usual insinuation of bias.

Tac · « **Reply #42 on:** November 29, 2001, 07:31:00 PM »

P38 combat ready with 2X2K bombs.

Experimental...but a wet dream

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GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #43 on:** November 29, 2001, 07:34:00 PM »

Frenchy the bombs on that P47 color photo are 2X 500lbs on wings and a single 250lbs under the fuselage.

In AH you can mount 2 1000lbs, 1 500lbs, 10 rockets and full, well actually, overload ammo. This was not done in real P47s, in AH this is a very big error.

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SFRT - Frenchy · « **Reply #44 on:** November 29, 2001, 08:38:00 PM »

The 109s outaccelerate the P47s in dives.
This was not done in real P47s, in AH this is a very big error.

Grun, we can spend the whole year arguing. Are you guys so desesperate that you need to argue with anything? Geez.