an another usefull patch

[Karnak]

Heh. Italian planes had ammo counters too, at least back to the C.200.

I would like to see the bombs added to the Fw190F-8, and in a future version have the artwork done and rockets added too.

I think, perhaps, that this subject has been over played and less frequent, gentler reminders might have more effect. I do sypathise with you though.

[ 11-30-2001: Message edited by: Karnak ]

[SFRT - Frenchy]

Cheer up RAM, you got the 1 ping FW engine death fixed.

See, Pyro loves you too  

[Dawvgrid]

we did?,thats nice  

[R4M]

Uf, yep...After some months of being called whiner by people in the forums   (just a tongue in cheek comment  ).

Just dont take me wrong, Frenchy, I'm glad you got the WEP Fix and the historical DT options.  

What I'm not glad is that the P47D30 still can fly in AH with an unhistorical loadout, while another planes still lack most of its weaponry.  

[ 11-30-2001: Message edited by: R4M ]

[SFRT - Frenchy]

P47 still lacks weapons :

Frag bombs:
   

And 20mm gun pod:
I can't find the pic no more, you are lucky I can't tease you to make you mad hehehe.

But because you have been bad, you have to put this beautifull piece of art as your desktop pic for 1 full week! You are punished Ram ... hop ... to purgatory! 1 Week of P47!    
In your room, no soup.

[ 11-30-2001: Message edited by: SFRT - Frenchy ]

[Creamo]

P47 SHOULD dive ALOT faster, shouldn't it?

I know the F4U sure models it's ability to do so very well. Kinda a characteristic I take into account fighting it in the Dora.

P47's however... don't think of anything but killing it with pleasure. It should have this distinct FM advantage, but it don't seem so from a opponents standpoint.

This advertisment paid for by "The Frenchy For the Advancement of the Jug Foundation Inc."


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[ 11-30-2001: Message edited by: Creamo ]

[Am0n]

Originally posted by R4M:
Hum, yes I'm very ignorant, but in that quote I read a lot of comas, and one "Or".
Where is the "AND"?    
Oh, and Am0n, where's the pic?  I dont see it...keep on searching    

Ok i wasnt the top student in school, as im sure you all can tell from my grammar in my multiple post.. BUT doesnt a comma equal a "and"?

R4M stop crying you are embarrasing your self.

heres a tissue.

BTW i dont browse the BBS when im not at work, i left work right after responding to your cry baby post.
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Helluva nice job fixing up the jug HTC, had good fun as always driving it last night.

Heck with 350 gallons of fuel and a full tank i think you could fly around for 3-4 hours.  

[ 11-30-2001: Message edited by: Am0n ]

[R4M]

Originally posted by Am0n:


Ok i wasnt the top student in school, as im sure you all can tell from my grammar in my multiple post.. BUT doesnt a comma equal a "and"?

I start to see why people in offtopic forum says that US educational system sucks so bad  

Short answer: no.

 

R4M stop crying you are embarrasing your self.

After you have showed you dont know how to read and interpretate properly a phrase, I'm not sure who's embarrasing who in this thread...  

 Anyway you've got a nice link (read wardog's post) wich clearly (I mean, using not just commas for readers as bright as you  ) says that the 10HVAR+wing bomb load couldn't be used in a P47D30.

[R4M]

Frenchy:
1-I like P47s and have used in MA quite some. Take a look at my stats for last 5 or 6 months. Your "penalty" won't hurt me a bit.  

2- If you start calling for underwing gun pods rarely used in the P47D30 I'll start to ask for the torpedo/bomb of the 190F8, or maybe about those nice vertical recoiless cannons to kill tanks, or the twin Mk103 30mm cannon pods...etc etc etc  

3-Frag bombs, delayed fuse bombs, cluster bombs, even napalm, and all that stuff is not just lacked by the American inventory, didn't yahknow?  .

4- DOnt try to distract attention with funny comments   . What matters here (apart of the F8 loads we lack   ) is that no P47D30 could carry 10 HVARs and 2000lbs of underwing bomgs; and the overload condition for the MGs was not used when the Jugs were in Jabo role.

 

Creamo:

Last time I had to dive away from a 109G10 in a P47D25 (wich is the model I most use because the D30's unrealistic loads) at the start of the dive (at around 10-12K) he was 500yards away and closing. AFter I dived, he had to run with me for two sectors (50 wooping miles) to catch with me again.

The P47 dives outstandingly in my experience; and while I'm no hot-shot in it and neither I use it too much; in my limited experience I always have put a lot of space in a dive between me and anything else...and when fighting vs jugs, I always saw them moving away in dives.

Maybe is something you dont agree with me, but at least is my experience.

[ 11-30-2001: Message edited by: R4M ]

[GRUNHERZ]

The Bf109 had  cockpit in-flight adjustable elevator trim in the form of a variable incidence h-stab. In fact this trim was used to pull out of high speed dives, it was very capable. Since all the other trims are useless you can get rid of them.

[Kieran]

Events to this point....

1. HTC posts update that includes mods to P-47.
2. P-47 proponents are overjoyed, 300 more horsepower!
3. Ram throws fit- weapons loadout possibly inaccurate.
4. Ram continues tirade by insinuating another pro-American bias.
5. People flame Ram for his outburst.
6. The possible validity of his original argument (loadout inaccuracies) is lost in the endless drone of "if they get this we should get that!"
7. People prod Ram some more.
8. Thread successfully hijacked into yet another tired and endless discussion of Luftwaffe field conversions and plane features.

More updates as events warrant...

[K West]

Damnit

I always arrive at the party on the wind down  

[Am0n]

Im officaly done with this thread. Im not going to argue with some forieng idiot who is stupid enough to bring in ones nationality in to the conversation.

What company made your computer? What companies made the parts in them? Who made the OS for that computer? Who invented the plat form of that PC? Who made this game? Who poineered the internet? This list could go on forever and i would like to ask, where are all those countries based out of? (not there factories)

Im not a biggot such as your self, i would rather not get into a nationality war of whos country is better. You always want to come off as a victim of some "Merican" propaganda.

IF your so victimised buy us, stop using our technoligies.. Also write a letter to your goverment asking them to stop using our equipment to supply your military, and for us to stop training your military.

Stop using our economic system while your at it, and also stop accepting AID from our counrty as well when your in need.
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So friggin lame that some cry baby bellybutton hole can get so jealous over some one else enjoying them selves.

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Again WTG HTC, keep the updates commin!

[R4M]

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This guy can't be this "clever"...I refuse to think he's written all that stuff seriously!  


LOL Am0n get a clue (and some sense of humor too in the meantime...tho I must admit your answer was extremely -even when unwanted- funny!  ).

[ 11-30-2001: Message edited by: R4M ]

[R4M]

Originally posted by Kieran:
Events to this point.......

Lets see  

1. HTC posts update that includes mods to P-47. - aye

2. P-47 proponents are overjoyed, 300 more horsepower! wich they lacked and they deserved to see in their plane. Aye and great!  

3. Ram throws fit- weapons loadout possibly inaccurate. - no. Weapons loadout added is accurate (drop tanks). Which is NOT accurate is the rockets+bombs thing we've been discussing for months. A vacuum in the loadout option was filled, but an unrealistic loadout combination was not erased. That's one of the points in my original post.


4. Ram continues tirade by insinuating another pro-American bias. - Again, not. Where?. THe only ones talking about that bias were the ones who answered me on the "its a business" grounds. What I find difficult to understand is the lack of ANY answers from HTC to the 190F8 weapon loadout petitions. That would hint that I'm suggesting an anti-german bias; wich I'm not saying there is, but for sure the facts don't help to support the opposite.

5. People flame Ram for his outburst. -as usual, regardless if I have a point or not  . I'm used to it, go and read the 190A5 SL speed thread in A&V forum to see that even with factory charts posted the flames are exactly the same  .

6. The possible validity of his original argument (loadout inaccuracies) is lost in the endless drone of "if they get this we should get that!" - Ahhhh. Now I dont have a reason to say that the P47 loadout is innacurate, and that the Fw190F8 lacks most of its ordnance, why?.

Because I DARED to say that is quite unfair to see a plane with more options instead of seeing the innacurate ones fixed first?. And that I feel angry because that plane is allowed to fly with unrealistic loadouts while others dont have even the historical ones?. Wow.

7. People prod Ram some more. - Read 5  

8. Thread successfully hijacked into yet another tired and endless discussion of Luftwaffe field conversions and plane features. - I linked a thread in the A&V forum for people to post there. Not my fault they decided to keep on posting here.

More updates as events warrant - now you can add that some poor humor-less tard got offended because I made a tongue in cheek comment about a matter wich is critized by american guys themselfs on the Offtopic forum