HO's ... no, not the ones you pay for.

[F4i]

I don't want to start a HO ***** fest.  But, I'd like to see what would happen in the MA if HTC  nullified all HO hits for 1 month...JUST 1 MONTH.  I wonder if people would actually start fighting if they didn't have their precious HO shots.

What do ya say, HTC?  Give it a try, please?  

F4i

[Bluedog]

Your rudders and stick dont work?
There are a zillion posts on this board arguing the pros and cons of the HO, and how to either avoid it, or use it against the guy HOing you.

Other than giving people who either cant, or wont, avoid HO passes an oppertunity they dont now have, how could this possibly help or improve the game?


Say what ya like, it does take two to HO, if ya dont like 'em, dont initiate 'em, and don't accept 'em.....problem solved.
It is impossible for someone to HO you if you are determined not to let them.

Besides, if the 'precious HO' is all a guy knows, he is a target, nothing more, why let 'em bother you?

[Malleus]

That, and I know how to get the HO kill and USUALLY avoid his fire...

And if they want to HO my P47-D-11 or my IL2, by all means, LET THEM.

This tour I have to my credit a ME-262 kill who HO'd me while I was in a IL2.

Now if that isn't a mistake, I don't know what is....

Oh, and he went down in flames, I landed.

[rv6]

But how do ya' avoid the HO's that you gotta' pay for?  I mean, hey!  They come straight at ya',, with them Double-D (20mms) all lit up, and your like a deer caught in head-lights!  Head-On da' HO!  MOOOhahahaaaa..

As per HO in AH..  It is a real skill to pull one off w/o getn killed..  Split second timing & cross control balancing act.

Some of the "skill-less" just use it exclusively 'cause it's all they can do. (boy, people get madder at this than chute shooting!)

However, like someone said herein.. If an opponent does NOT want to go HO'ing, he can avoid it, and kill you with little adieu, given you fall for the trap.. (long story short).

ie:  (no comment is complete w/o a "What happened to me last night" story,, uuugh)

I've got 10 mins left before leaving the house.. and am at 15k,, looking for anything red.

Ah-HA!  Dead ahead!  A co-alt 109 coming right at me!  Let's setup a "death-stream" x-control HO.

Were both in each others sites, dead-center, closure rate ticking down FAST!..

At d1700, I squeeze the trigger, sending a long stream of 20mm/50cal at him (tracers OFF).  Getting ready of down-jink at d600..

The guy (knew what he was doing).. curls down in a negative G push,,

I correct and continue the stream ahead of his flight path, but the SOB, rudder skids the friggin thing zig-zagging, under me..  NO WAY TO TRACK THE SOB.  And I'd wasted 1/2 my ammo load, as well as 1/2 my E!..

He does a nice little zoom climb up behind me.. and eventually BnZ's the living toejam out of me.  I'm a fair-to-good player, but there was no way in hell that I could've HO'd that guy, no matter WHAT I DID!

He avoided a perfectly setup HO, and chiseled me to pieces.. voila~

Best to stick with the "payed for" HO's..

;-(

RV6

[Jackal1]

The HO was first used in WWII in  a little known or written about battle. In the attack on the north pole, pilot S. Claus downed  three  A6Ms in a matter of secounds using this tactic.  While engaged he would call out the kills over radio communications with the 12ELF squadron. Thus the HO HO HO.

[Westy]

"I'd like to see what would happen in the MA if HTC nullified all HO hits..."


 
 Ah   Now there's something I'd honestly cancel my account over.  Another step towards being a clone of AW.  

Shaking the Magic 8 ball I see the next set of demands will be for HTC to remove collisions and killshooter. Then players can fly right thru thier opponant on the merge and they can all shoot through each other at fleeing bogies.

[SOB]

I don't feel at all bad in saying that this is an incredibly retarded idea.


SOB

[F4i]

Originally posted by Westy
"I'd like to see what would happen in the MA if HTC nullified all HO hits..."


 
 Ah   Now there's something I'd honestly cancel my account over.  Another step towards being a clone of AW.  

Shaking the Magic 8 ball I see the next set of demands will be for HTC to remove collisions and killshooter. Then players can fly right thru thier opponant on the merge and they can all shoot through each other at fleeing bogies.

Not true, Westy.  And, I seriously doubt you'd cancel your account over it.  

My only suggestion is that HTC *try* 1 month w/out head-on hits (or, at least minimize their impact).

And, with or without HO's, Aces High will NEVER be another A.W. clone.  I just seem to remember a day way back when, when a co-alt engagement (usually) started AFTER the merge rather than started and ended BEFORE it.  

Last night, a dork in a 262 even HO'ed my F6, for christ's sake.  Now, you tell me...262 vs F6 co-alt..., and the only tactic the guy chooses is the oh-so predictable HO?!?  Is that fun...every damn time?  HO's are getting pretty old and stale, imho.  

(And, fortunately, the 262 pilot paid a bigger price for his lack of imagination than I did.)

That's why I made a simple suggestion to HTC.  For 1 month, set the HO to zero or - at least minimilize its impact - and see what happens.

I predict that we'd see a helluva lot more ACM, for once.

F4i

[SlapShot]

I love when someone tries to HO me ... I try to bait them into it.

Get them concentrating on the HO and making the shot ... as soon as you see the first bullet fly, make your move to avoid the HO (barrel roll or zoom loop).

I can honestly say that I kill at least 8 out of 10 HOers (if they stick around) due to the fact that they are concentrating so much on winning the HO. Any HOer has conceeded to the fact that they might not win the HO, so they are somewhat expecting to die and haven't thought much further than that. With that ... any or all SA or merge anticipation has gone right out the window ... which makes for an easy kill.

Keep it just like it is.

[Westy]

F4i, I would.  Honest as a heart attack.  I'll go find and play "Kinasta-online" instead.

 Part of the solution is to show players that there is a better way by example.  And if they don't learn then keep slapping them down for trying to take the HO shot.  More than enough has been written by other AH players and trainers on how to do that.

 But if HTC turnd off HO's IMO when they went to turn it back on there would be a whole lot of hollering to keep it off.  And it would not result in players utilizing ACM more. It would lead to everying flying Spits right into and thru each others nose and going up into double Immelmans until someone stalls.


(Off tangent - Anyone seen Lephturn lately? Was wondering where he'd gone to....)

[Apache]

Are you serious or just bored? Turn off HO's?

HO'ers are the easiest kills in the game, except for the La7 drivers. Just keep exploiting the HO, they'll eventually figure out that the HO isn't the best thing in the world to do.

[hogenbor]

Interesting thought, I wonder what it would be like.

Generally I don't take HO's, that was something for my first month of playing. If I fly a P-47, Fw190-A8 or Mossie I might try one or two, but only if I'm close to home and think I can handle the damage inflicted by the other plane. It's safer to HO a La-5 than a Typhoon...

Most HO's can be avoided, most HO deaths I experienced was when I misjudged closure rate and collided.  One of my weak spots obviously.

Occasionally I get shot down when I avoid a HO when the guy challenging me gets a well timed front quarter shot in... but I sometimes succeed in doing that too.

Still, it would be an idea to try, can't hurt much I guess.

[SlapShot]

Lephturn made an appearence in the Spit VS P-38 thread (cloverleaf)

Here is what he said ...

"At this point just poking around the BBS. I've been gone about a year, but I'm interested in getting back in. I moved cities last year and was offline for a couple of months... after which my account was gone. I'll have to call up the crew at HTC and see about getting that thing re-instated.  It was a nice break, but I really miss shooting down all you dweebs and listening to ya whine about it on CH 1.  Heheh.

I'm sure you guys miss having that furballing P-47 around to beat on anyway."

Hope to see him flying again ... soon.

[Rude]

While we're eliminating HO's, can we delete GV's too?

[captg]

The whole idea of a HO being "cowardly" or wrong is one's opinion.  It's like the boxer telling the grapler he has to box in a street fight.  You fight your way...I'll fight mine...( I do try to avoid HOs but use them effectivly at times as well--depends on the enme plane type and y mood at the time of engagement).  I really get tired of the..."why you running run-stang"..."HO dweeb"..."if you hadn't had your buddies" comments.  Life isn't fair--you didn't write the rules, and you can't amend them--deal with the situation given or play free-cell.

CaptG
Goodfellow Boys