Author Topic: Terror on the high seas! (Read 562 times)

gofaster · « **on:** August 26, 2003, 08:38:42 AM »

Camper In Tow Shot At Boaters, Deputies Say
By YVETTE C. HAMMETT yhammett@tampatrib.com
Published: Aug 26, 2003

APOLLO BEACH - A leisurely weekend camping excursion to Beer Can Island left some good Samaritans a bit shaken Saturday after a man in the a boat they were towing shot at them, according to the sheriff's office and a witness.
``We could see the bullets hitting the water,'' said Randy Juettner, 28, of Seffner. ``He fired six shots at us, then dropped the clip, put in another one and fired a couple more. It's nothing I ever want to experience again.''

Juettner said he and his friends cut the tow rope, ducked and headed for the boat ramp at Bullfrog Creek.

Juettner was with friends Jeffrey Morris, 36, of Brandon and Christopher Adkins, 27, of Gibsonton, on Hillsborough Bay towing two disabled johnboats into the creek, Hillsborough County sheriff's spokeswoman Debbie Carter said. The man in the second boat apparently got upset with his rescuers for going too fast, Carter said. Yeah, shooting at them will teach them to go slower.

Anthony Bruce Sanders, 29, of Leesburg pulled out a 9 mm handgun and fired six shots toward them, according to a sheriff's report. The bullets flew past the other boat in tow, which had two people on board.

No one was hurt.

``I guess he just freaked out,'' Juettner said.

He said he met Sanders and his two friends Friday when they were camping on Beer Can Island off Apollo Beach.

``I know his camping gear had all floated away during the night, so he was probably already mad about that. They left it too close to the water, and the tide came in and took it,'' Juettner said. Ok, can you say Darwin Award candidate?

Juettner said Sanders and his two friends approached him and Morris Friday night, saying Sanders' boat was disabled and needed a tow. Sanders and his companions had towed a small johnboat out with them, and it didn't have a working motor. Morris agreed to tow both with his 18-foot Sea Ray.

``He didn't have any firewood or anything, so we told him he could stay by our fire,'' Juettner said. ``I know he was drinking all night, because he drank most of my beer.'' Well that's just downright unneighbourly!

In the morning, when he, Morris and Adkins began pulling the two boats toward Bullfrog Creek, Sanders pulled out the gun and started shooting, the sheriff's report said.

They cut the rope and let Sanders and the other two drift, then headed into the Bullfrog Creek boat ramp, Juettner said.

A 911 call summoned deputies, who arrested Sanders after someone else towed him to the boat ramp I can only imagine the conversation out on the water when the second Good Samaritan found the two boats adrift , Carter said. He remained in the Orient Road Jail Monday charged with one count each of aggravated assault and battery.

Sanders also is being held with no bail set on a fugitive warrant out of Ohio for allegedly failing to pay child support.

Mickey1992 · « **Reply #1 on:** August 26, 2003, 08:43:06 AM »

"Sanders also is being held with no bail set on a fugitive warrant out of Ohio for allegedly failing to pay child support."

Wow, the long arm of the law in Ohio is longer than i thought.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #2 on:** August 26, 2003, 09:05:27 AM »

Nothing worse than a dead-beat dad with a firearm!

Seriously, in this state, if you have a felony or 4th deg. assault charge (thats usually what wife beaters get), then you cannot apply for a conceal and carry license. I think it should expand to dead beat dads.

SOB · « **Reply #3 on:** August 26, 2003, 09:10:35 AM »

What possible reason could you have for denying a concealed weapons permit to a "dead beat dad"? Do you think the inability or unwillingness to make child support payments makes one a dangerous person? I don't get it.

SOB

gofaster · « **Reply #4 on:** August 26, 2003, 09:15:10 AM »

Actually, I think an intelligence test would be more appropriate for concealed weapons permits. Obviously, anybody dumb enough to (a) let their camping gear get washed away by an incoming tide; (b) drink most of someone else's beer; and (c) fire 8 rounds from a 9mm to get their tow boat to slow down, obviously doesn't have the sense to own a weapon.

SOB · « **Reply #5 on:** August 26, 2003, 09:16:35 AM »

Heh, you have a point there Gofaster. I'm not sure this guy has enough intelligence to be allowed outdoors.

SOB

Ripsnort · « **Reply #6 on:** August 26, 2003, 09:33:18 AM »

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Originally posted by SOB
What possible reason could you have for denying a concealed weapons permit to a "dead beat dad"? Do you think the inability or unwillingness to make child support payments makes one a dangerous person? I don't get it.

SOB

{Sound of reel buzzzing as the line goes taut}

Damn, you're so easy these days. Its not even sporting to shoot carp swimming in a barrel, 'specially big ones. I was really hoping for Froggy to come by first...no brains, no pain....but alas, just another Fat Drunk Bastard. Must be the stinky bait.

{Pre-emptive:"All you do is troll, maybe I shouldn't take anything you say seriously..."}

SOB · « **Reply #7 on:** August 26, 2003, 09:43:14 AM »

Ummm, OK.

wulfie · « **Reply #8 on:** August 26, 2003, 12:14:04 PM »

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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Nothing worse than a dead-beat dad with a firearm!

Seriously, in this state, if you have a felony or 4th deg. assault charge (thats usually what wife beaters get), then you cannot apply for a conceal and carry license. I think it should expand to dead beat dads.

Ripsnort, are you aware that in certain states (Washington is one of them) - if you *live* with a single mother and a child that you had no part in conceiving, you could be ordered to pay child support to that single mother for that child.

That's living with her, not married to her. The 'time record' is for as little as 3 months. Are you aware of the fact that there are guys who have been wrongly paying child support for years (i.e. the 'mother' lied about which guy 'knocked her up', usually erring on the side of which guy had the most $$$ - shocking, I know) who cannot use DNA paternity tests to exonerate them? Not because the test doesn't work - because the legal system, due to the lobbying of various groups, does not believe that child support should be based off of paternity *when* the parents have never been married, etc.

If you owe child suport because you should owe it and don't pay, then I think you are a scumbag. But don't think it's an 'open and shut' situation. Child support is manipulated and abused as badly as welfare is.

I personally think that child support should require verification via receipts as well - i.e. make sure all the $$$ is spent on behalf of the kids.

Not speaking from personal experience here.

But I've seen some friends go through some horrendous stuff. I know one guy who was lied to and 'did the honorable thing' - paid child support when he got 'unlucky' on a fling. He didn't find out the woman was lying about the whole affair until the kid got sick and they called my buddy in for some medical tests because he was allegedly the 'father' of the kid.

Mike/wulfie

p.s. I use 'father', 'mother', etc. because having been adopted at a young age - I think if you *raise* kids you are a Father, a Mother, etc. Making them is too easy to warrant such a title.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #9 on:** August 26, 2003, 12:20:35 PM »

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Originally posted by wulfie
Ripsnort, are you aware that in certain states (Washington is one of them) - if you *live* with a single mother and a child that you had no part in conceiving, you could be ordered to pay child support to that single mother for that child.

That's living with her, not married to her. The 'time record' is for as little as 3 months. Are you aware of the fact that there are guys who have been wrongly paying child support for years (i.e. the 'mother' lied about which guy 'knocked her up', usually erring on the side of which guy had the most $$$ - shocking, I know) who cannot use DNA paternity tests to exonerate them? Not because the test doesn't work - because the legal system, due to the lobbying of various groups, does not believe that child support should be based off of paternity *when* the parents have never been married, etc.

If you owe child suport because you should owe it and don't pay, then I think you are a scumbag. But don't think it's an 'open and shut' situation. Child support is manipulated and abused as badly as welfare is.

I personally think that child support should require verification via receipts as well - i.e. make sure all the $$$ is spent on behalf of the kids.

Not speaking from personal experience here. But I've seen some friends go through some horrendous stuff. I know one guy who was lied to and 'did the honorable thing' - paid child support when he got 'unlucky' on a fling. He didn't find out the woman was lying about the whole affair until the kid got sick and they called my buddy in for some medical tests because he was allegedly the 'father' of the kid.

Mike/wulfie

p.s. I use 'father', 'mother', etc. because having been adopted at a young age - I think if you *raise* kids you are a Father, a Mother, etc. Making them is too easy to warrant such a title.

Those cases make up such a small percentage of all dead beat dads that its hardly worth mentioning other than it gets good press and the fact that it is indeed "wrong".

wulfie · « **Reply #10 on:** August 26, 2003, 12:34:51 PM »

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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Those cases make up such a small percentage of all dead beat dads that its hardly worth mentioning other than it gets good press and the fact that it is indeed "wrong".

What % of the total is comprised of cases like those (I really don't know and am curious)?

It has only happened in a few states - that much I know. If it's limited to a few states then I'd think that the legal interpretation in those states needs 'fixing' right away. If they can have their heads up their tulips to such a degree over something as simple as 'paternity or Married then divorced = child support' heaven knows what else they are capable of screwing up.

But even in CA. if you were found liable for child support - you could not get the courts - even if you picked up the testing expenses - to 'DNA paternity' test you and the child to prove your guilt or innocence. This is in direct violation of constutional rights if memory serves.

Mike/wulfie

Ripsnort · « **Reply #11 on:** August 26, 2003, 12:48:08 PM »

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Originally posted by wulfie
What % of the total is comprised of cases like those (I really don't know and am curious)?

Mike/wulfie

I couldn't tell you as I don't have a valid source, only discussions with my neighbor(well, near us, not next to us) who works for the CPS in Washington State.

Scootter · « **Reply #12 on:** August 26, 2003, 03:14:43 PM »

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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Nothing worse than a dead-beat dad with a firearm!

Seriously, in this state, if you have a felony or 4th deg. assault charge (thats usually what wife beaters get), then you cannot apply for a conceal and carry license. I think it should expand to dead beat dads.

Read story twice found no mention of CWP, you do know you can have a gun in your boat without a CWP in Fla. also in your car.

I have also found that idiots seem to do what they want without regard to the law.

CWP owner for 8 years now and seldom carry (stay home a lot