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« Reply #30 on: August 26, 2003, 05:12:44 PM »
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I read posts like this, and think to myself:

"How pathetic your life must be if you have nothing better to do than surf the internet, looking for things to post that will stir toejam up."


We refer to him in our inner circle as "Elfenwolf Jr."  Also your sterotypical Liberal Southern Californian.  You can kind of relate why they're going thru a recall now.

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« Reply #31 on: August 26, 2003, 05:23:39 PM »
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Rip, your statement has been weighed, measured and found lacking.


"Just imagine what could have been accomplished in America if Ike had never entered the conflict."

As has yours, son.

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« Reply #32 on: August 26, 2003, 05:27:10 PM »
Yup thank you LBJ for over 58 k dead in viet nam:(

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« Reply #33 on: August 26, 2003, 06:05:54 PM »
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LBJ was not faultless on Vietnam, but he was given some very bad intel during the war from Westmoreland and very bad advice from McNamera. Just imagine what could have been accomplished in America if Ike had never entered the conflict.


Let's include the line preceeding and re-evaluate. LBJ was not faultless, never said he was. The War in Vietnam was handled badly on MANY levels. LBJ did pass Medicare, increase Social Security benefits, the first federal general aid to education law and focused on disadvantaged children in city slums and rural areas, the Voting Rights Act, the Civil Rights Act, and let's not forget his participation in the formation of the Space Program just to name a few.

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« Reply #34 on: August 26, 2003, 06:21:51 PM »
Hey Skuzzy, you have my CTD problems worked out yet?  :D
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« Reply #35 on: August 26, 2003, 09:40:01 PM »
Who financed LBJ?

Brown & Root.

Who made gazillions off the Vietnam war?

Brown & Root.

Who was having second thoughts about Vietnam and never sent in more than 16,000 troops?

JFK.

Who jumped into Vietnam with both feet sending in over 350,000 troops with JFK out of the way?

LBJ.

Who locked away records relating to the assasination of JFK for 75 years?

LBJ.

Who was it again that killed JFK?

anyone? anyone?
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« Reply #36 on: August 26, 2003, 11:19:35 PM »
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Yaaay he created 3 generations of parasites, WTFG LBJ!!!


You are underestimating the guy, Funk. Three generations so far, but many more to come.

It just happens that the children learn form their parents. If parents are parasites, guess what will the kids do. And I'll bet that they consider themselves smart and they think about the rest of us (supporting them for life) as stupid.

And they are absolutely right. Thanks Libs.

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« Reply #37 on: August 26, 2003, 11:21:04 PM »
Legal driver's licences for all illegals!

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« Reply #38 on: August 26, 2003, 11:26:29 PM »
September 26, 1945 - The first American death in Vietnam occurs, during the unrest in Saigon, as OSS officer Lt. Col. A. Peter Dewey is killed by Viet Minh guerrillas who mistook him for a French officer. Before his death, Dewey had filed a report on the deepening crisis in Vietnam, stating his opinion that the U.S. "ought to clear out of Southeast Asia."

February 1950 - The United States and Britain recognize Bao Dai's French-controlled South Vietnam government.

July 26, 1950 - United States military involvement in Vietnam begins as President Harry Truman authorizes $15 million in military aid to the French.

American military advisors will accompany the flow of U.S. tanks, planes, artillery and other supplies to Vietnam. Over the next four years, the U.S. will spend $3 Billion on the French war and by 1954 will provide 80 percent of all war supplies used by the French.

January 20, 1953 - Dwight D. Eisenhower, former five-star Army general and Allied commander in Europe during World War II, is inaugurated as the 34th U.S. President.

During his term, Eisenhower will greatly increase U.S. military aid to the French in Vietnam to prevent a Communist victory. U.S. military advisors will continue to accompany American supplies sent to Vietnam. To justify America's financial commitment, Eisenhower will cite a 'Domino Theory' in which a Communist victory in Vietnam would result in surrounding countries falling one after another like a "falling row of dominoes." The Domino Theory will be used by a succession of Presidents and their advisors to justify ever-deepening U.S. involvement in Vietnam.

March 30-May 1 - The siege at Dien Bien Phu occurs as nearly 10,000 French soldiers are trapped by 45,000 Viet Minh. French troops soon run out of fresh water and medical supplies.

The French urgently appeal to Washington for help. The U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff now consider three possible military options: sending American combat troops to the rescue; a massive conventional air strike by B-29 bombers; the use of tactical atomic weapons.

President Eisenhower dismisses the conventional air raid and the nuclear option after getting a strong negative response to such actions from America's chief ally, Britain. Eisenhower also decides against sending U.S. ground troops to rescue the French, citing the likelihood of high casualty rates in the jungles around Dien Bien Phu. No action is taken.[/b]

January 1955 - The first direct shipment of U.S. military aid to Saigon arrives. The U.S. also offers to train the fledgling South Vietnam Army.

October 26, 1955 - The Republic of South Vietnam is proclaimed with Diem as its first president. In America, President Eisenhower pledges his support for the new government and offers military aid.

July 8, 1959 - Two U.S. military advisors, Maj. Dale Buis and Sgt. Chester Ovnand, are killed by Viet Minh guerrillas at Bien Hoa, South Vietnam. They are the first American deaths in the Second Indochina War which Americans will come to know simply as The Vietnam War.

January 20, 1961- John Fitzgerald Kennedy is inaugurated as the 35th U.S. President and declares "...we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, to insure the survival and the success of liberty." Privately, outgoing President Eisenhower tells him "I think you're going to have to send troops..." to Southeast Asia.

The youthful Kennedy administration is inexperienced in matters regarding Southeast Asia. Kennedy's Secretary of Defense, 44-year-old Robert McNamara, along with civilian planners recruited from the academic community, will play a crucial role in deciding White House strategy for Vietnam over the next several years. Under their leadership, the United States will wage a limited war to force a political settlement.

However, the U.S. will be opposed by an enemy dedicated to total military victory "...whatever the sacrifices, however long the struggle...until Vietnam is fully independent and reunified," as stated by Ho Chi Minh.

May 1961 - President Kennedy sends 400 American Green Beret 'Special Advisors' to South Vietnam to train South Vietnamese soldiers in methods of 'counter-insurgency' in the fight against Viet Cong guerrillas.

October 1961 - To get a first-hand look at the deteriorating military situation, top Kennedy aides, Maxwell Taylor and Walt Rostow, visit Vietnam. "If Vietnam goes, it will be exceedingly difficult to hold Southeast Asia," Taylor reports to the President and advises Kennedy to expand the number of U.S. military advisors and to send 8000 combat soldiers.

Defense Secretary McNamara and the Joint Chiefs of Staff recommend instead a massive show of force by sending six divisions (200,000 men) to Vietnam. However, the President decides against sending any combat troops.

January 11, 1962 - During his State of the Union address, President Kennedy states, "Few generations in all of history have been granted the role of being the great defender of freedom in its maximum hour of danger. This is our good fortune..."

January 15, 1962 - During a press conference, President Kennedy is asked if any Americans in Vietnam are engaged in the fighting. "No," the President responds without further comment.

February 6, 1962 - MACV, the U.S. Military Assistance Command for Vietnam, is formed. It replaces MAAG-Vietnam, the Military Assistance Advisory Group which had been established in 1950.

May 1962 - Defense Secretary McNamara visits South Vietnam and reports "we are winning the war."

September 2, 1963 - During a TV news interview with Walter Cronkite, President Kennedy describes Diem as "out of touch with the people" and adds that South Vietnam's government might regain popular support "with changes in policy and perhaps in personnel."

Also during the interview, Kennedy comments on America's commitment to Vietnam "If we withdrew from Vietnam, the Communists would control Vietnam. Pretty soon, Thailand, Cambodia, Laos, Malaya, would go..."

October 2, 1963 - President Kennedy sends Ambassador Lodge a mixed messaged that "no initiative should now be taken to give any encouragement to a coup" but that Lodge should "identify and build contacts with possible leadership as and when it appears."

October 5, 1963 - Lodge informs President Kennedy that the coup against Diem appears to be on again.

The rebel generals, led by Duong Van "Big" Minh, first ask for assurances that U.S. aid to South Vietnam will continue after Diem's removal and that the U.S. will not interfere with the actual coup. This scenario suits the White House well, in that the generals will appear to acting on their own without any direct U.S. involvement. President Kennedy gives his approval. The CIA in Saigon then signals the conspirators that the United States will not interfere with the overthrow of President Diem.

November 2, 1963 - At 3 a.m., one of Diem's aides betrays his location to the generals. The hunt for Diem and Nhu now begins. At 6 a.m., Diem telephones the generals. Realizing the situation is hopeless, Diem and Nhu offer to surrender from inside a Catholic church. Diem and Nhu are then taken into custody by rebel officers and placed in the back of an armored personnel carrier. While traveling to Saigon, the vehicle stops and Diem and Nhu are assassinated.

At the White House, a meeting is interrupted with the news of Diem's death. According to witnesses, President Kennedy's face turns a ghostly shade of white and he immediately leaves the room. Later, the President records in his private diary, "I feel that we must bear a good deal of responsibility for it."[/b]

November 24, 1963 - President Johnson declares he will not "lose Vietnam" during a meeting with Ambassador Lodge in Washington.

By year's end, there are 16,300 American military advisors in South Vietnam which received $500 million in U.S. aid during 1963.



Ike? You're saying it was Ike?

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« Reply #39 on: August 26, 2003, 11:45:59 PM »
Toad you fascist pig! JFK was a saint!

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« Reply #40 on: August 27, 2003, 01:12:28 AM »
Just in case you didn't know... he would have been 95 today.
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« Reply #41 on: August 27, 2003, 03:30:50 AM »
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Maybe I missed something, but why would Ike get involved in an uprising in a French colony?  I thought the French were fighting the Viet Minh on their own (which was part of their reason for not getting involved in Korea).  :confused:


not true we were involved (not a lot of soldier but some anyway)

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« Reply #42 on: August 27, 2003, 03:34:42 AM »
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not true we were involved (not a lot of soldier but some anyway)


ha!

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« Reply #43 on: August 27, 2003, 04:01:02 AM »
hu ?

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« Reply #44 on: August 27, 2003, 04:01:55 AM »
hmm.. :)