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Offline mitchk

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« on: August 27, 2003, 02:57:43 AM »
How about making all ack manned. In real life if someone has not manning the gun the gun was not shooting.

 In WWII, bombers could dive right down on a fteet and go right by,alot of the time untuched because it was people and not computers shooting at you.

This will also help people realize the importance of good gunnery skills.

So what do you think of this idea, be honest:D .
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Offline B17Skull12

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« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2003, 02:59:33 AM »
great idea that would equal more 2k or futher out licks on people.
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Offline Pooh21

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« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2003, 06:45:25 AM »
With manned ack at field once I got a 4.5k kill on a furballing zeke. It was just some poor n00b in a 109 against this zeke. I was eating lunch so I was squeezing out occasional bursts at the two planes. When "did I just see a flash?" off goes the zekes wing.
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Offline frank3

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« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2003, 09:26:35 AM »
in h2h that would certainly suck, almost nobody likes to spend all of their expensive time on manning a gun
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Offline Sakai

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« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2003, 11:22:35 AM »
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How about making all ack manned. In real life if someone has not manning the gun the gun was not shooting.

This will also help people realize the importance of good gunnery skills.

So what do you think of this idea, be honest:D .


If we could man the 88s, I'd love that.  In fact, I think we should have a variety of acks:  twin 40mm bofors, 88s, 5" mounts, 20mm single and quad mounts and single and twin/quad .5os.  This would supplement the 37mms.  That all ack is 37mm is kind of whacky since ther ewas a variety of weaponry launched at planes.  Also, there is no penalty ofr mindless ack shooting.  In RL the falling, unexploded AA could be quite detrimental to your town, etc.  They should model that as well.

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Offline frank3

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« Reply #5 on: August 28, 2003, 11:57:38 AM »
say, I've always been attacked by those 88's but I never did see em also with all confentional ack down :confused:
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Offline Sakai

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« Reply #6 on: August 28, 2003, 12:39:28 PM »
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say, I've always been attacked by those 88's but I never did see em also with all confentional ack down :confused:


Aint that the weirdest?

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« Reply #7 on: August 28, 2003, 01:52:39 PM »
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say, I've always been attacked by those 88's but I never did see em also with all confentional ack down :confused:


What? I missed something here...
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Offline SKurj

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« Reply #8 on: August 28, 2003, 01:55:34 PM »
Not enough players IMO to do that....

Well not enough players would do it thats for sure.  Its rare to find all mannable acks filled at a field now.


More manned ack... btw you do realize there are no tracers for player mannable ack don't you?


More different playable acks fine, but not all of them.


A fighter can dive on the fleet and escape ....

A single fighter can deack any field in AH......  More manned ack would complicate matters a tad...

I don't think it would work if all ack had to be player manned, the milkrunners would have a field day though thats for sure.



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« Reply #9 on: August 28, 2003, 02:00:24 PM »
I don't think that the ack should be all-manned. I do think that it should be mannable, though.

I also think that it should also depend (in the proper sense) on the state of the local factory. ie if the factory is dead, so is the ack.
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Offline frank3

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« Reply #10 on: August 28, 2003, 02:27:57 PM »
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Aint that the weirdest?

Sakai


lol, I mean that I never saw the guns who fire 'em...:rolleyes:
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Offline mitchk

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« Reply #11 on: August 28, 2003, 10:05:15 PM »
SKurJ, flak in real life didn't have tracers like on the battel ships.


 asfor the other gunns then just shoot them befor they get you or just ovoid ack.:rolleyes:
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Offline frank3

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« Reply #12 on: August 29, 2003, 10:09:02 AM »
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As for the other guns, just shoot them before they get you or just ovoid ack.:rolleyes:


Ah! that's what I was doing wrong
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Offline SKurj

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« Reply #13 on: August 29, 2003, 03:14:26 PM »
Mitch...

You don't seem to understand obviously...

In RL (which is not what we are playing)  there was at least some indication that AA guns were firing.  Read some anecdotes of actual pilots... tracer was used in some AA guns some of the time.  And even if it wasn't there would still be muzzle flash, smoke etc from the firing gun.  (which we have none of in AH)


The only people that would benefit from all guns having to be manned would be vulchers and milkrunners.  Both would likely get all the ack nice and quick by sneaking in when noone was paying attention to the map (which we would have to do at all times with no AI ack...  if we were concerned about the landgrab)

I can take all the ack down at a small field when its firing at me in under 5 minutes... How long do you think it would take you to get that many people to man AA guns?  By the time you had ONE person to help you all the ack would be down and you would be in the tower.


The computer ack is a bad shot...  humans are better, I'm starting to think having ALL ack AI but also player mannable would be a better solution.

The current fleets should have likely 5x the number of AA guns they currently have (guessing)

We are here to play a flight sim, just like in real life... the pilots didn't man the AA guns...


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Offline mitchk

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« Reply #14 on: August 30, 2003, 12:00:00 PM »
Well if HiTech is paying attention to this post you just may have given him an idea, making the ack guns have flashes or smoke when firing:D
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