Author Topic: Finally! Hvy F-4U Off Cv (Read 2748 times)

Halo · « **on:** August 27, 2003, 12:53:16 PM »

Finally it all came together. FINALLY got a heavy F4U (50% fuel, two 1k bombs, 8 rockets) off a carrier. It was easy. Just:

1. Start engine.
2. Mess around with brakes and hook and throttle until released.
3. Let plane roll all the way back to the last line on the deck.
4. Flaps 50%.
5. Full throttle, then WEP.
6. Veer right, very steady.
7. Jettison all excess equipment including liferaft.
8. Check wet spinning wheels for fishing nets.
9. Raise gear.
10. Flaps up.
11. WEP off.
12. Sprain arm patting self on back.
13. Next time take heavy Hellcat.

Soulyss · « **Reply #1 on:** August 27, 2003, 12:57:30 PM »

now do it with 100% fuel.

RTR · « **Reply #2 on:** August 27, 2003, 01:43:13 PM »

LOL Halo..well put
You can however get a fully loaded DHog off the deck without backing up. I do it on a regular basis.
Have film showing how if you are interested. NO tricks or slight of hand

Hvy DHog..100% Fuel 2 1000lb bombs and 8 rockets. Works every time. (Also FBFalcon I believe has film of same).
RTR

Halo · « **Reply #3 on:** August 27, 2003, 07:45:30 PM »

You gotta be kidding. Chauncy, roll the film, please.

RTR · « **Reply #4 on:** August 28, 2003, 10:05:03 AM »

I Have no way to host the film here Halo.
However, I can send it to you if you like. Just need your email addy.
Cheers,
RTR (have one with a heavy Hellcat as well if you are interested).

Innominate · « **Reply #5 on:** August 28, 2003, 10:11:22 AM »

Its not all that difficult to do.
You don't even need wep.

Easy way:
100% fuel, 2k bombs, rockets
No flaps
Go to full power(use wep)
Begin dropping flaps just after you start moving.
When you leave the deck, immediatly raise your gear
Do not attempt to climb, or even maintain altitude, all you need to do is slow your descent so you dont hit the water.

The key is to remember that the plane is going to fall off the end of the CV like a brick, and to let it fall(Just stop from hitting the water)

http://death.innomi.com/uploads/f4u1dheavy.zip

RTR · « **Reply #6 on:** August 28, 2003, 10:27:43 AM »

Yep, what Innominate described and showed in the film.
You could also start a gentle turn to the right immediately off the deck as well. (will help you with the torque a bit).
Cheers,
RTR

Soda · « **Reply #7 on:** August 28, 2003, 01:07:46 PM »

You can also trim to counter the torque before you start your roll and use the brakes to hold you in place until your engine revs to full power.

The whole feeling of basically falling off the deck and into flight is pretty disconcerting though. It's not really flying at all, it's more like just controlling your descent enough to not smack the water.

Halo · « **Reply #8 on:** August 28, 2003, 08:47:25 PM »

Thanks, guys -- good advice and good film. I actually DID take off Corsair with 100% fuel, rockets, and two 1kers from cv.

However, only after pranging in another dozen, and the pouty people at Chance Vought refusing to send me one more F4U until the skipper guaranteed I wouldn't make any more artificial reefs with them.

I did try all sorts of things to understand exactly what needed to be done. I succeeded only with full flaps (past even the last indicator, must be world's deepest flaps), WEP, and -- letting it roll back to the end of the deck first.

I still find it hard to believe that the real Corsairs were that hard to get off a carrier.

Or, for that matter that the Corsair was regarded as such a hotshot and used so long after WWII.

It does not seem that formidable in Aces High. Many other fighters can lunch on it in a dogfight.

Oh well, still very satisfying to finally launch a max hvy F4U from a cv. Thanks again for the coaching.

PSxxKuro · « **Reply #9 on:** August 28, 2003, 11:16:00 PM »

the D is one of the best fighters in AH.. I can land multiple kills and almost guarntee ill kill sumthin everytime i go up in it. Although it is a fairly fast plane, it can out rudder most.. Most of my kills are enemy trying a slight climb then rudderin nose over... The F4u-1d can usually rudder inside for the shot....JUST DONT MISS!!!!

RTR · « **Reply #10 on:** August 29, 2003, 09:49:18 AM »

I have found that keeping the hog fast is the key.
Under 250 it tends to wallow around. But get it to 250 mph and it turns into a ballerina. It will roll almost as well as a FW.
Used to fly the DHog quite a bit, and got quite a few kills with it.
I have discovered though, that the F4U1 seems to perform a little better. (a bit lighter i think).
Yep great Rudder control

cheers,
RTR

Soda · « **Reply #11 on:** August 29, 2003, 12:11:31 PM »

I've flown the D-Hog quite a bit, it's a wonderful aircraft once you learn how to handle it. It has some serious strengths that you can exploit over many other aircraft but you want to make sure you stay within your aircrafts performance and not let someone else dictate the style of fight to you. Stay fast, use the excellent ballistics of the .50s, the superior roll rate to most aircraft, and pack lots of energy. The Hog hides energy so well in mass (like the P-47) that you can shock people with zoom-climbs or dropping like a comet with full control.

There is nothing like lag-turning with a Zero, poping a notch of flap, pulling lead, and blowing him to hell.... he'll whine about "the Zero should out-turn the F4U" but forgets about the physics and geometry of the situation. Sweet.

Halo · « **Reply #12 on:** August 29, 2003, 07:47:34 PM »

"...hides energy so well in mass ..." I like that, Soda. Great description of a massive hunk of virulent energy plummeting down to dominate.

Oh the humanity ....

On the opposite spectrum, tonight in CT played Shrink The Circle in ocean up to our knees in a Super Wildcat against a Hurri. WEP, flaps, gear, couldn't see for the salt spray.

Finally we wobbled away in a draw until he stalled and crashed. Hey, I'll take a victory any way it comes.

Innominate · « **Reply #13 on:** August 29, 2003, 10:45:23 PM »

My favorite F4U trick is to chase someone in a dive, and when they turn, drop my gear and flaps, slipping inside thier turn radius for a nice easy gunshot. This is especially good against spitnikla7's who expect to be able to out-turn you easily.

F4UDOA · « **Reply #14 on:** September 01, 2003, 07:40:02 PM »

The F4U actually has a better instantanious turn than most. In combat test with flaps it could with an A6M5 for a quarter turn with flaps or until the speed drops below 175Knots.

As far as getting of the deck I have posted quite a bit about this.

There are a couple of reasons for the bad takeoff IMHO.

1. The deck length is correct but we are not given enough of it. According to HT about 540FT.

2. The stall speed of the F4U (and many others) with flaps is to high. I have also discussed this with HT and I believe it will be addressed in AH2.

It all sits on AH2 now kids. I don't think AH will be changed anytime soon. One other subtle factor that plays a huge roll is fuel consumption. F4U's and F6F's had long legs but A/C like 109's and La7's did not. For some reason there has been a swing and a miss with the burn rates not beong equal. Many A/C are effected by this.

Also not having to lift off with 720lbs of ammo would be nice. 2400rnds is overkill.