Author Topic: Most Fighter ONLY Kills in One Sortie? (Read 1124 times)

Halo · « **on:** August 31, 2003, 07:30:51 PM »

Okay, while the other one-sortie kills thread is still going -- giving an excellent idea of the number of kills achievable in one sortie without rearming or refueling, a clear trend is emerging showing that the most impressive statistic everyone wants to know is:

What are your most kills in ONE sortie in a fighter without rearming or refueling, and landing successfully (no ditches or chutes), against ONLY other fighters airborne and able to defend themselves?

In other words, NO vulching, no attack planes, no bombers, no ships, no ground vehicles, NOTHING except other fighter planes reasonably airborne and able to defend themselves.

However, stalking from low 6, surprise bounces, b&z and other tactics against FULLY FUNCTIONING enemy fighters are accepted and expected.

Yes, this requires some judgment calls and personal integrity. No vulching includes not counting pounces on opponents who have just taken off and are still low and slow and unable to exercise the full capability of his or her fighter plane.

The other one-sortie thread demonstrates the importance of this focus, the most elite stat of all. Many of the most successful sticks have not so far participated in the other thread.

This thread might get a little closer to the question we all want to know: Who are the real Top Guns?

Please include at least a general description of the action and numbers and types of fighters you killed.

In this thread, it will indeed be impressive if such kills reach double figures.

For example, this boggles my average dweeb mind so much that the most I can recall is 3 several times, and I don't even remember the details since that happens so infrequently. Most involved b&z or low 6 stalking since furballs so often mean no landing.

Octavius · « **Reply #1 on:** August 31, 2003, 07:52:26 PM »

F4U-1C - 18 air kills.

about three of them were hard fought, the rest were bounced via high angle snapshot or they were sleeping. gawd that was my best night =] gunnery was on fire =]

SKurj · « **Reply #2 on:** August 31, 2003, 09:26:17 PM »

oh please...

who can be bothered to count.. and then remember this crap +)

The one standout mission you had is probably easy to remember based on # of kills...

I couldn't tell you the numbers of any mission in which I killed ONLY fighters with wheels up, no bombers, no vulches, no gv's...

oh yes i can... 1 or 2 or 3 or 4 (insert plane type)

SKurj

HeLLcAt · « **Reply #3 on:** August 31, 2003, 09:54:51 PM »

13 kills in F6F
13 kills in 190D9
14 kills in F4U-1C I think I refueled... not sure how many I had I ended up with 24 at the end, but that's for the other post LOL

Halo · « **Reply #4 on:** August 31, 2003, 10:03:12 PM »

Already very impressive. Never thought anyone would get more than a dozen.

Skurj, sorry you don't like the thread. If I ever got a buncha good fighter kills, I think I'd remember mine. And I'm glad some do because if this isn't the most dazzling single statistic in Aces High, what is?

Roscoroo · « **Reply #5 on:** August 31, 2003, 10:21:10 PM »

12 in a p 47d-11 they were all air to air . one thing to note this was my 3rd time ever flying this plane in the MA thats why its one of my fav's and most memorable flights. I was unstoppable that night and did everything just right, flap turns, maintained almost perfect E and SA ... it was amazing for me .
5 of these were head ons , all the rest were deflection/6 shots.
of the kills there were 5 p-51's , 2 la 7's, 3 spits, and 2 f6's
The all the fights ranged from 20k down to 6k on the mindano map. and i never even got in range of an nme base.

I wish i still had that film ... but it was lost with our pc's that got it in the house fire last fall.

Dead Man Flying · « **Reply #6 on:** August 31, 2003, 10:32:39 PM »

The 14 in a Spit V was all air-to-air... I hung out around 5 miles off a base and kept engaging guys 1v1 over and over again until I finally ran out of ammo.

The 24 kill rearm mission was nothing but vulching.

-- Todd/Leviathn

GScholz · « **Reply #7 on:** August 31, 2003, 11:19:31 PM »

11+one bomber in a Ta-152 three or four days ago.

WldThing · « **Reply #8 on:** August 31, 2003, 11:31:19 PM »

Without rearm ... P-51 17 kills A2A..

Nomak · « **Reply #9 on:** August 31, 2003, 11:50:12 PM »

Are you really loking for the top gunz?

Most of us hang out in the DA.

Not that it matters but yesterday I had a no rearm, small ammo load, all air to air 15 kill 38 run.

I only mention it because I usually dont fly with enough SA to do a large kill run like this.

The truth is that most of the pile-its who could set some kind of single sortie kill record dont really care to.

So trying to establish some kind of top gun by the kills per sortie method really doesnt hold any water.

Wana know who the best is?........Look at the top of the dueling ladder.

Shane · « **Reply #10 on:** September 01, 2003, 12:32:59 AM »

i got an assist... once... i think.

GScholz · « **Reply #11 on:** September 01, 2003, 12:35:22 AM »

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Originally posted by Shane
i got an assist... once... i think.

Prolly on me!

Halo · « **Reply #12 on:** September 01, 2003, 05:25:34 PM »

Nomak, dueling is great and ladders are great like any tournaments, and anybody who does well in them probably is an excellent stick.

But 1 on 1 in DA is not the same as in MA and CT where, as you note, situational awareness becomes even more crucial and few sorties conclude with only 1 on 1 engagements.

For the big picture, Aces High does a great job in its regular monthly scoring tallies. We can see top guns pretty clearly, and there are many subcategories such as accuracy.

However, the two threads about single sortie kills with no rearming and no refueling are valuable additional indicators of success, especially if the pilots share a few details such as fighter types and general circumstances.

As in real life, sometimes it's hard to substantiate claims, and as in cyber life, sometimes the kills granted are kinda weird, e.g., some proximity deaths.

In all these measures of fighter skill, who can say any single measure is more accurate than the others? Monthly totals, single sorties with or without rearming and refueling, dueling, ladders -- has any one pilot or several dominated all of them all of the time?

Who was or is best is always changing and always a tradeoff between a record achieved and the next fight. That's why Aces High has room for everyone from master to apprentice, and why some dweebs like me can always enjoy and learn from the game even when our scores are laughable.

Tarmac · « **Reply #13 on:** September 01, 2003, 05:46:59 PM »

10 in a 190a5 between a5 and 219 (I think 219... whatever that base is straight north of a5) on trinity. My most hard-fought sortie, probably ever. That's why I remember it so well. Was a small furball, with 5 or so planes always furballing, and reinforcements showing up at about the same rate planes were shot down. Great time.

BlackCross · « **Reply #14 on:** September 01, 2003, 06:28:36 PM »

Not the most kills in a single sortie but the most memorable

Me A6M2 soting down a F4U4, and a F6F. The F6f was shot down first with the 7.62 popguns. I dove in on him and when he was out about 250 I let loose. I didn't want to waste cannons at that distance, plus I wanted him to break off one of my buddies. Put a 2 second burst into his right wingtip and I see that it breaks in half:eek: didn't waste any more ammo on him

Ok climb again and I see an F4U4 above me. He dives down on my buddies furballing near his CV. Poor SA as he ignores me to B&Z my buddies on the deck. I cach him twice with cannons as he tops out of his Immelmans to get the"jucier" B&Z bait below him.

another memorable one 4 NIK1 in a Bf 109 E4