Map editor

[Maniac]

Suprise suprise! The fire djust ignited.

Alot of what stigler said in the quoted post is true.

Before you all who have built your new HTC shrine at home come flaming please note that he talks bad about IEN (warbirds) in it aswell.

Waaa Waaa he talked bad about AH over at AGW dont let him in!!!

<G,D,R>




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AH : Maniac
WB : -nr-1-

[funked]

Stigi rips iEN as hard or harder than HTC.  One recent title of a thread addressed to iEN comes to mind... "MORONS!!!"

[Wanker]

Funked said:  

Stigi rips iEN as hard or harder than HTC. One recent title of a thread addressed to iEN comes to mind... "MORONS!!!"

Look, for all you "Defenders of Stiglr"(tm) out there. I have no problem, per se, with what he says. His heart is in the right place. I have a problem with how he says it. Many people have said exactly the same thing as Stiglr on here as well as on AGW. The difference is, they use a little bit of tact.

Go ahead, and just try to convince me that Stiglr has a positive influence on HTC or iEN.

I'm no HTC cheerleader, but I believe in any debate to try to see things from my opponents' perspective. Stiglr believes in his opinions, and gleefully tosses aside any attempt at rational dialogue.




[This message has been edited by banana (edited 08-10-2000).]

[Renfield]

I get really tired hearing complaints like Stiglr's about how they want this or that to add to the realism and a sim sucks because it just doesn't have all the bells and whistles (paraphrasing).

First, these people should be glad they even have these to choose from. The technology here is amazing. Does anyone remember the wire-frame WWII arena in Microsoft Flight Simulator and the "dots" that represented the enemy? It wasn't that long ago.

Second, these things take time to develop. It is obvious the whiners aren't programmers or they might appreciate some of what is involved here and what it takes to bring this stuff to term. It is a lot of work and attention to detail.

I don't know what these people are thinking when they blast away like this. I'm not saying just be grateful and shut your mouth. Wish lists are good to have. But for Christ's sake, quit the freaking squeaking until you code something - anything - of substance.

[Kieren]

If you are trying to train a dog to come to you when you call it, do you whip it when it finally does (because it didn't come fast enough)? If you do, all you do is teach it to stay far away.

If someone comes here from another sim and acts respectfully isn't it better to take it at face value? Respect the opinion if it is tendered respectfully and it may re-enforce the desired behavior. If he then turns and bites you it reflects poorly on him, not you.

I'm not saying there isn't cause for the hard feelings, but someone has to be big enough to take the first step. Further, who are we to drive away potential customers for HTC? I read AGW once in a while, too. I have seen some softening on the part of many opinions concerning AH lately. We cannot alienate potential customers just because of opinions expressed in the past. Opinions change.  

[Pyro]

HT pushed all his chips forward(and there were a lot of them) to create this company.  Not something I would consider spineless, in fact I think it's pretty ballsy to enter this market when he did and have the confidence to believe that not only could we compete, but prevail over time and with only a handful of people.

To those who truly believe they have the idea for the perfect game and a strong market for it, I think they are doing themselves a great disservice not to act on it.  Scrape together all the money you can, borrow or get investments from family and friends to seed it, and set to work on raising the capital and getting the talent to make it work.  It sounds daunting and it is, but it's not impossible.  Look at how most entrepeneurs started.  The rewards will certainly be there in the end if you're right and make it work.



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Doug "Pyro" Balmos
HiTech Creations

[Wanker]

Kieren Said:

but someone has to be big enough to take the first step.

Anytime Stiglr feels the urge to get over his hostility and take that first step(for real) I'll be the first one to shake his hand and buy him a round....or two...or five.

One positive post, however, doesn't convince me that his tune has changed.

[Ripsnort]

 

Originally posted by banana:
Kieren Said: Anytime Stiglr feels the urge to get over his hostility and take that first step(for real) I'll be the first one to shake his hand and buy him a round....or two...or five.

Ditto. I'm a 'forgive and forget' person, with one exception...MG.  

[Superfly]

What I want to know is, how did this go from a civilized conversation about custom textures for the terrain editor to "We hate stiglr?"
 
I'm going to take my ball and go home...  

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John "SUPERFLY" Guytan - Art Director
HiTech Creations
"Touch my tooter, smoocher!" - Ween
-=HELLFIRE=- SQUAD

[Ripsnort]

Blame me Super, I get sick and tired of hearing him call it "Aces Hobbled", its disrespect for you and your co-workers, but then again, it ain't none of my business, so please accept my apologies.

[Nash]

 

Renfield-
Does anyone remember the wire-frame WWII arena in Microsoft Flight Simulator and the "dots" that represented the enemy? It wasn't that long ago.

That was roughly 22 years ago... Time flies huh?   I agree 100% with yer post though... well said.  

On the one hand, I see the wisdom of Kieren's stance in that we really ought to take the comments at face value and accept that people's minds can change. However, I can't help but think that these kinds of people will be the first to jump all over HTC if the development doesn't go just exactly as they personally wish... with all the bratty sense of entitlement that goes with it. I don't think anyone wants this board to mirror the kind of vitriol displayed daily on that <cough> other board. If that means we hold eachother responsible for our words and deeds, so be it.



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[Maniac]

"To those who truly believe they have the idea for the perfect game and a strong market for it, I think they are doing themselves a great disservice not to act on it"

No need to act on it, someone allredy did.

'Something great is about to happen'  

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AH : Maniac
WB : -nr-1-

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[Jigster]

 

Originally posted by Maniac:
"To those who truly believe they have the idea for the perfect game and a strong market for it, I think they are doing themselves a great disservice not to act on it"

No need to act on it, someone allredy did.

'Something great is about to happen'  

"Something wonderful is about to happen" -- Dave, the Starchild. 2010. right?


 

- Jig

[Stiglr]

Interesting debate.

It IS true that I throw carp equally. I am just as critical of iEN and the things I feel they do wrong as I am of the things I think are wrong in AH.

The people I piss off the most are the "aw shucks" crowd of people who can't stand to see anyone have a strong opinion about anything. There has to be all this eggshell-walking, qualifying, wussy language around everything. Well, those folks can bite me. I don't have time for it. I call 'em as I see 'em. I admit to being sarcastic a lot of the time, it's just my style. More interesting than a whole paragraph of IMHOs, "...or maybe not", or whatever hoohah. But, if you look past the humor (yes, it is a form of humor), you can see that I usually *do* have a point, whether you agree with it or not. And I don't demand that anyone agree with it, just because I state it firmly. It's just "one man's opinion". Take it with a huge grain of salt, agree, disagree, post, move on.

Now, as to the "YOU code something" whinge: you can bite me, too. Just because I've never run a government doesn't give me the right to complain about politicians? That's the weakest reasoning yet. I don't normally get into "code-level" second-guessing, but I think I am entitled to an opinion over what features I want to see, and what kind of direction (or lack of same) I want strat to take.

And banana, why do I have to have an ulterior motive to say, WTG on the terrain editor??? I'm not joined to iEN at the hip, if that's what you're implying. I have said before, and I'll say it again, if AH had (IMO) satisfactory solutions to the things I cared about *most*, I might have been over here a long time ago. I still reserve the right to monitor its progress and comment on it, too. Whether you take me seriously, banana, I care not a whit (speaking of arrogance...)

That being said, I'd ALSO like to return to talking about textures and soon-to-come maps....  

[This message has been edited by Stiglr (edited 08-10-2000).]

[funked]

Hey Stigi HTC fixed the collision code.