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« Reply #15 on: September 01, 2003, 11:37:22 PM »
The only way you can get enough DU in you to do harm is if you get shot with it or do something silly like eat a projectile.  The radiation is just too weak to harm you unless you have a chunk of it in your body.
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« Reply #16 on: September 02, 2003, 12:25:59 AM »
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No, why would I? Remember I support the war which liberated them from continued decades of internatinal isolation, backwardness, torture, suffering, starvation and other benefits of Hussein family rule... To the best of my recollection you did not...


I really am dumbfounded that you felt you needed to type this out.

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« Reply #17 on: September 02, 2003, 12:29:48 AM »
It answers your question.... And of course it's the truth, IRRC you supported the continued rule of the Hussein family government in Iraq...

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« Reply #18 on: September 02, 2003, 12:53:23 AM »
its simply ridikulous to claim DU ammunition would have any long term effects which could affect humans.

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« Reply #19 on: September 02, 2003, 01:02:36 AM »
DU residue is very toxic - like other heavy metals - but it depends on the method of exposure.

Our guys aren't getting hammered by the DU I think - it's like others have said...reservists getting their immune systems creamed by too many shots in too short a time period, plus some experimental type shots where the alternative (no shot) would have been a guranteed fatality if the almost worst-case scenario wound up actually happening - and the military lives by planning for the worst case.

Then add in residue from demo'd chemical weapons stockpiles, eating and soaking in oil and sucking down 'fresh' combusted oil fumes (I always laugh my bellybutton off when someone who was not there uses the term 'exposed' when talking about exposure to the burning oil, non-burning oil, etc. - 'bathed in'/'saturated in' is a better term by far) and you are going to get sick.

I crawled all over some AFVs that had been killed with DU based rounds and I got the requisite warning about the toxicity. I was on a non-reserve 'shot schedule' and my sinuses were wrecked for a couple of months afterwards. That's the oil in one form or another.

So that's the deal with our guys I think. The kids in Iraq, I'd say DU residue, oil residue, poor drinking water outside of the major population centers (read: anywhere but Baghdad), etc. and subpar standards of medical care (S. Hussein chased all the British and U.S. trained Iraqi Doctors out of Iraq not too long after the Iran-Iraq war - I know because I've interviewed 5 or 6 directly and they are members of a close-knit group of ~300). And before we get the 'American Government likes to kill other people's kids' parade all cranked up keep in mind that during those sanctions the Doctors already over there were short of medical supplies, top line equipment, and outside specialists because Iraq 'didn't have the money' (the U.N. sanctions didn't apply to medical field expenditures for the most part). Compare that with the hundreds of millions in cash that was found tucked away in the homes and safe houses of senior Iraqi leadership.

DU residue is very very toxic if inhaled and fairly toxic if swallowed. It changes properties if exposed to human respiration which makes it deadly poisonous if inhaled as particles (in sort of the same way that mercury, if swallowed, will probably be passed out of the system of the person who swallowed it - but if absorbed thru the skin or inhaled is 100 times more dangerous - swallowing mercury from a thermometer is *not* the same as eating mercury tainted fish by the way - no experimentation please :)).

I don't think (i.e., I really, really hope) that you won't see a 'GWS II'. They are looking for it, the oil and vaccination factors aren't there, and for the people and especially the kids (because radiation, toxins, etc. hit kids *far* harder than adults - you're damaging the building blocks not the end product in a constant state of repair - remember the Russians evacuating children from a radius 3 times the size of the adult evacuation radius after Chernobyl?) the medical care standards are going to be much improved (not because Iraqi doctors are 2nd rate, but because they'll actually have the tools they need to get the job done).

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« Reply #20 on: September 02, 2003, 01:06:38 AM »
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its simply ridikulous to claim DU ammunition would have any long term effects which could affect humans.


Fishu you are the most disappointing representation of a Finn that I have ever come across. Congratulations on supporting the mean.

Sissu! 'Buddy'!

*Not*.

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p.s. What happened with you? Did one of Comrade Stalin's bastard, sickly, venal, cowardly, clueless offspring manage to somehow infiltrate Finland and get it on with some Hot Finnish Mama?

p.p.s. The reason I know you're a retard is that the U.S., U.K., and others have known about DU residue, etc. for no small # of years now. You're like a little geeky kid near the pits at Le Mans reminding everyone that 'driving too fast can lead to fatalities' in a really annoying, nasal voice.

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« Reply #21 on: September 02, 2003, 01:10:35 AM »
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No, why would I? Remember I support the war which liberated them from continued decades of internatinal isolation, backwardness, torture, suffering, starvation and other benefits of Hussein family rule...


oh, I must remember it wrong.  I thought you supported the war to protect us from those 'weapons of mass destruction' that where a 'clear and present threat' to the welfare and safety of our country (as far as I know that threat is the only excuse for not getting congressional approval for any war).  

but in my defense the war changes themes often enough it's hard to keep up.


we ought to return this war to the store.  it ain't what we where sold.

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« Reply #22 on: September 02, 2003, 01:12:41 AM »
Well I think I answered my own question about Fishu. He's a 'Chernobyl Baby'. Fishu - I hereby retract all statements made about you disfavorably comparing you to the other Finns I know - the bellybutton kicking, action-not-words, ***** all opressors because independence is where it's at, die under the table drowing in vodka and FPMO American Sailor bastard type Finns.

I realize now that it's not your fault.

Sincerely,

Mike/wulfie

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p.s. Guess I'll be seing you in the audience when they round me up for the Hague. Don't be shocked if I don't bring a lawyer.

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« Reply #23 on: September 02, 2003, 01:14:46 AM »
Here comes Boroda to defend Stalin... :)

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« Reply #24 on: September 02, 2003, 01:45:12 AM »
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Here comes Boroda to defend Stalin... :)


Hey at least he plays the part. Boroda is like an evil, I don't care, kill-'em-all we're communist and can do no wrong Klingon. He follows the path of what he's supposed to be.

Look at it this way. If Boroda and I bought the farm on exactly the same day, and we're at indoc in Heaven, and some Angel goes "Boroda, you retard, Stalin is in hell he's the most evil leader in the history of mankind, if killing innocents were a soccer match between him and Hitler it would have been an 8-1 victory for Stalin and that's with no injury time" Boroda would probably honestly ask "really" and the Angel would say "damn straight" and then Boroda would most likely go "Son of a gun, I was wrong - first drink is on me - I get to stay here, right?". And if I was wrong about Stalin, and the Angel set the record straight - I get the feeling Boroda wouldn't gloat. He'd buy me a drink and enjoy the shocked look on my face until I took the escalator to Hell (because Uncle Joe would be upstairs). Think along the lines of the end of the movie 'Patton' - "I'll drink to that - one sonofa***** to another".

Fishu, extreme leftists, etc. would get such shocking news and secretly whisper amongst themselves that 'Satan tried to take over Heaven because Heaven Oppressed Evil people', i.e. 'Heaven', like the WTC, 'asked for it'. I don't really care what happens to him in his life - he's only a super lefty AH player with a truly warped sense of world history, right and wrong, etc. after all - and even then you can't hold him responsible - blame Chernobyl is what I say - but with his attitude I'd love to see one night of him being married in 10 or 15 years. It would be...'educational' I think.

Were Fishu not a mentally crippled Chernobyl baby (i.e., he has an excuse), he'd be like a Klingon that gave up his knife and blaster to become a PI attorney. The only thing worse than stereotypical bad guys are stereotypical bad guys who take the fun out of stereotypical bad guys.

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« Reply #25 on: September 02, 2003, 01:57:50 AM »
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its simply ridikulous to claim DU ammunition would have any long term effects which could affect humans.


There's no way that Russian Mothers and Babies starved to death during the (non-U.N. Sanctioned) Siege of Leningrad. It's simply ridikulous.

But hey, those Mothers and Babies were preparing to take up arms against Finnland. 'They Asked For It'. So sayeth Osama Bin-Fishu.

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« Reply #26 on: September 02, 2003, 03:11:59 AM »
Easy, Wulfie. Fishu only posted a puerile statement involving the 'blitz' cliche. There were hundreds of other examples only very recently - 'arguing' for the other, pro-Bush side of course.
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« Reply #27 on: September 02, 2003, 04:26:31 AM »
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The only way you can get enough DU in you to do harm is if you get shot with it or do something silly like eat a projectile.  The radiation is just too weak to harm you unless you have a chunk of it in your body.


Or if a water supply is hit with these shells..Thousands died after  Desert Storm because of this type of contamination and one can only imagine the fallout this time around.
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« Reply #28 on: September 02, 2003, 04:50:12 AM »
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Or if a water supply is hit with these shells..Thousands died after  Desert Storm because of this type of contamination and one can only imagine the fallout this time around.


Sources?

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« Reply #29 on: September 02, 2003, 07:20:19 AM »
Why we would hit a water supply with DU? :rolleyes:

Of course no one *****es about the environmental and health catastrophe created by setting thousands of oil wells on fire....

Must focus on the evil amreekans....