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« on: September 04, 2003, 06:43:21 AM »
Just curious, do any other countries have inheiritance tax apart from this POS country?

Here if someone dies and they leave belongings that total over £250,000 (pretty much every house here in the south east is more than that alone) The deceased relative has to pay 40% tax to the government on it.

So, theoretically if my mother passed away tomorrow (god forbid) and left the house to me, i would have to move out of my home, sell it, and pay 40% to tony ****ing blair.

My grandfather recently passed, and this situation has got me mighty pissed.  He started his own business, worked hard for his money, paid taxes all his life, fought for this country.  And now relatives have to pay taxes on his possesions that have already been taxed twice already (income tax, and tax when purchased)

And what do we get for paying all these taxes? **** roads, **** healthcare, **** government and to top it all - crappy weather.

All our money does is pay for asylum seekers and slackers.

Anyone recommend a nice country for a 19 year old to move to?
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« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2003, 06:56:55 AM »
Russian Federation has it too :mad:

The good thing about it is that when you inherit realty (in my case - a flat in a military town near Moscow) - they calculate it's price using "Technical inventarisation" price, that is 10-20 times less then market price.

After dealing with all the heritage documents I came to a conclusion that instead of inheriting anything you'd better persuade your relatives to present (gift) the property to you. Otherwise you will soon descover dozen of relatives who remembered about your family's very existance only when they understood they can get something from your heritage. The other thing you'll discover will be the fact that even if you have testament (will) that you inherit 100% of the property - it doesn't mean anything, and other long-forgotten relatives will get up to 50% because of some strange law :mad:

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« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2003, 06:59:33 AM »
problem here is if you are presented a gift, and within 7 years the person who presented you the gift dies, you still have to pay 40% tax on it.

Guess russia is off my potential country to move to list! ;)
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« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2003, 07:02:50 AM »
over $500,000 ??

classifies you as "rich" - yes you can afford it :)
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« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2003, 07:04:45 AM »
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Originally posted by Eagler
over $500,000 ??

classifies you as "rich" - yes you can afford it :)


£250,000 = about $350,000 - 400,000

You saying that if you died tomorrow all the things you leave will not be more than that? including your estate?
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« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2003, 07:14:33 AM »
They have it in The US also...but I think it starts at $1 Million and larger...and it's 33%. There are ways around it if you plan your estate well.
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« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2003, 07:17:05 AM »
Well, I doubt assylum seekers get most of our money. And the social budget is only a fraction of total taxation income.

The best way to do it is to legally avoid the inheritance tax with some smart accounting. There are ways to do it if you get the right advice.

£250,000 houses are not average anywhere except London and the wealthy South Eastern suburbs.
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« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2003, 07:29:49 AM »
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Well, I doubt assylum seekers get most of our money. And the social budget is only a fraction of total taxation income.


Where does all the money go? what really works in this country?

trains?.... no
roads? .... no
healthcare? ... if i wasnt lucky enough to be covered by private healthcare, i would be dead now from a problem with appendix, so definately not.
Pensions? .... no
Sports scheme's/Education? ... no
War? ... maybe
People claiming benefit that dont need it? ... maybe?

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£250,000 houses are not average anywhere except London and the wealthy South Eastern suburbs.


You cant help where you live, £200,000 will only buy a small house or decent flat around here.  And as for london you will be looking at a near 7 figure average.
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« Reply #8 on: September 04, 2003, 07:30:15 AM »
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Originally posted by Furball
problem here is if you are presented a gift, and within 7 years the person who presented you the gift dies, you still have to pay 40% tax on it.

Guess russia is off my potential country to move to list! ;)


Damn. They are smart.

I thought that times have changed since Beatles wrote "Taxman"...

State needs taxes to feed people collecting taxes, people supervising people collecting taxes, people deciding how much taxes they need to feed people collecting taxes, etc. ad nauseum...

Last year Russian government dismissed State Tax Police. The reason was that the money they collect (in fact - force to pay) are not enough to feed them.

In 1996 the number of state administration empoyees in Russia was 2 (two) times bigger then USSR had in 1989, including Party officials. USSR population was almost 300 millions, while RF is only 150 millions. Guess why we have no money for teachers and doctors, not even speaking about fundamental science.

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« Reply #9 on: September 04, 2003, 07:31:42 AM »
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Originally posted by Furball
Where does all the money go? what really works in this country?

trains?.... no
roads? .... no
healthcare? ... if i wasnt lucky enough to be covered by private healthcare, i would be dead now from a problem with appendix, so definately not.
Pensions? .... no
Sports scheme's/Education? ... no
War? ... maybe
People claiming benefit that dont need it? ... maybe?



You cant help where you live, £200,000 will only buy a small house or decent flat around here.  And as for london you will be looking at a near 7 figure average.


Are you sure that you speak about UK, not Russia, and London, not Moscow?... :eek:

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« Reply #10 on: September 04, 2003, 07:33:04 AM »
Furball,  I think the best you can hope for is to win a double rollover and go buy a small island somewhere.


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« Reply #11 on: September 04, 2003, 07:33:41 AM »
Boroda, this is a great country with great people - ruined by bad government.

The thieving liars in power at the moment are the worst of them all.
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« Reply #12 on: September 04, 2003, 07:58:42 AM »
1) Do you have any idea how much money the government receives in taxation?

2) Do you have any idea how much of that is spent on assylum seekers?

I think answering those questions will put things in perspective for you.

As for house prices in the South East - well, it is the centre of the universe isn't it? It always will be expensive.
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« Reply #13 on: September 04, 2003, 08:06:10 AM »
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Originally posted by Dowding
1) Do you have any idea how much money the government receives in taxation?

2) Do you have any idea how much of that is spent on assylum seekers?

I think answering those questions will put things in perspective for you.

As for house prices in the South East - well, it is the centre of the universe isn't it? It always will be expensive.


i didnt just say asylum seekers, i said

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All our money does is pay for asylum seekers and slackers.


Notice AND slackers, genuine people needing help is fine, its just these good for nothing milkers im talking about.  And no i do not know the actual figures, its just the impression i get from what i see and hear day in day out.

And Dowding im beginning to understand more and more you just post on here to disagree and start arguing with people.

and why are you going on about the south east being centre of the universe for? i never implied anything like that at all.

Why not piss off to another thread and bug them instead? or even better piss off from here all together. .
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« Reply #14 on: September 04, 2003, 08:09:39 AM »
The U.S. "Death Tax": I wouldn't complain furball, ours is much worse, the highest in the world in fact.  It actually employs a small corporation of Gov't employees just to collect and maintain income of this tax.  .65 cents of each dollar collected goes toward this.

What is the rate of the estate, gift and generation-skipping tax
(which is really a Death Tax)?
After utilization of a $625,000 exemption, the rate of tax is 37% and once assets have reached the size of $3 million, the rate of tax is 55%.

What is the applicable lifetime exclusion amount?
The applicable lifetime exclusion amount is $625,000 in 1998 –- scheduled to increase in uneven increments to $1 million in 2006. It is the amount that an individual can pass, free of gift tax during life or estate tax at death to anyone they choose.

How much revenue is raised by the Death Tax?
A little over 1% of the government’s revenue was generated from the death tax in 1998.

What size estates file estate tax returns?
89% of all taxable estates filed in 1995 were $2.5 million or less in size.

Estates of what asset size pay estate taxes?
54% of all estate taxes paid in 1995 came from net taxable estates of $5 million or less.

What country has the highest rate of Death Tax?
Japan has an inheritance tax of 70%, but after credits and exemption it is an effective tax rate of 30.3%. The United States has the highest rate of estate tax in the world at the rate of 55% and an effective rate of 44%.

Is the Death Tax a disincentive for the growth of family businesses?
In a study conducted by The Tax Foundation it was found that to match the disincentive effect of the estate tax, income taxes would have to be raised up to roughly 70% or almost twice the top marginal income tax rate of 39.6%.

When is the "Death Tax" due?
The tax is due 9 months after the date of death, and is payable in cash.

What is the history of estate, gift and generation-skipping taxes?
The Death Tax was initiated in 1916 to fund World War I. It was maintained in the tax code through the 20’s and 30’s to help prevent the concentration of wealth. Since that time, anti-trust laws have eliminated those concerns, but to date the Death Tax remains intact.

What is the cost to collect the Death Tax?
It costs approximately 65 cents for every $1.00 of revenue for the collection and compliance costs of the death tax.

What is the general public’s attitude towards repeal of the death tax?
In national polls, focus groups and instant response sessions – 75% of respondents believe that the death tax should be repealed.

How many family businesses are there in America?
Within the definition that the family controls the business either by stock or through management, 91% of all businesses in America are family owned.

How does the death tax affect the succession of the family business to future generations?
More than 70% of family businesses do not survive the second generation; 87% do not make it to the third generation.

What is the generation –skipping tax?
The generation-skipping tax or GST is a tax on assets that you pass on to your grandchildren at an effective 80% rate, once you have utilized your GST exemption.

Have the assets that are taxed with the death tax been taxed before?
Yes. Those assets have been taxed with income tax and capital gains tax, as well as other taxes.

How many states have repealed inheritance taxes?
Twenty states have repealed inheritance taxes, five states (Delaware, Indiana, Kansas, North Carolina and Alaska) most recently in 1998 and 1999.

What is the economic effect of repealing the death tax?
In a study done by The Center for the Study of Taxation, it was determined that if gift, estate and generation-skipping taxes had been repealed in 1971, by the year 1991 there would have been 262,000 more jobs, $46.3 billion more in GDP and $398.6 billion more in capital.

How does the small business community view the death tax?
Unfavorably. 150 trade and industry organizations have formed the family business estate tax coalition, whose sole purpose is to repeal the death tax.
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