Author Topic: Christians (Read 1812 times)

Ripsnort · « **Reply #60 on:** September 09, 2003, 10:50:00 AM »

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Originally posted by banana
Come again?

I'm trying to have an intelligent, meaningful discussion with you on christianity. Must we always end up hurling political barbs at each other?

I am a patient man. Please try again, this time confining yourself to theological argument.

Thanks.

I have no arguement. I'm just saying you can't have what you envision as God. It doesn't exist. Its a pipe dream similiar to the Liberal Utopia (that was my point)

Those that constantly have a need to lob shells at those who are religious (see Frogman) or the need to say outrageous statements about religion are as insecure as those who have to go door to door and preach God to others.

Sandman · « **Reply #61 on:** September 09, 2003, 10:51:19 AM »

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Originally posted by -ammo-
If you believe that, then you believe a lie. I just cut and pasted this right from the linked WS you posted "Lucifer Rising"

Lost me here. I've not read "Lucifer Rising" but from what I gather on Amazon, it is simply a history of opposition to the christian church.

CyranoAH · « **Reply #62 on:** September 09, 2003, 11:09:13 AM »

When I start thinking about religion, I just say to myself "What would Ozzy do?" and go bite someone's head off.

Daniel

Ripsnort · « **Reply #63 on:** September 09, 2003, 11:22:32 AM »

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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
Lost me here. I've not read "Lucifer Rising" but from what I gather on Amazon, it is simply a history of opposition to the christian church.

So, you get your education from Amazon? Simply amazing...

Sandman · « **Reply #64 on:** September 09, 2003, 11:33:55 AM »

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Originally posted by Ripsnort
So, you get your education from Amazon? Simply amazing...

As I stated... I have not read "Lucifer Rising." I doubt anyone here has either. I do not understand Ammo's reference to it.

You're not helping.

AKIron · « **Reply #65 on:** September 09, 2003, 11:56:57 AM »

The "Church of Satan" is not representative of all "Satanists". According to the US Army the "Church of Satan" has between 10,000 and 20,000 "members". I suspect there are many more than that believing themselves to be Satanists.

A quick search yielded this:
http://satan.freeservers.com/defintions.html

Gremlin · « **Reply #66 on:** September 09, 2003, 12:10:33 PM »

I always liked a phrase I first heard from of all people the scottish comedian Billy Connolly he said.

'If you beleive that there is a god in heavan, then he does exist, at least for you'.

IMHO faith in a god/religion etc serves many people well. Unfortunately, distorted dogmas are also the cause of most evil in the world too. Religion/God never killed anyone but there are plenty of fanatics who twist religion to suit their own ends, and they aint all in the middle east either;) I know some 'christians' who are about as un-christian as is possible. Conversely I know some atheists who are more christian than I could ever hope to be.

AKSeaWulfe, In a world where It may be unfashionable to publicly state such beliefs, its refreshing to see someone like you who has the honesty and pure balls to stand in their corner and say 'This is what I beleive'. Good on ya:)

Wanker · « **Reply #67 on:** September 09, 2003, 01:26:40 PM »

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I know some 'christians' who are about as un-christian as is possible. Conversely I know some atheists who are more christian than I could ever hope to be.

I'll give a resounding AMEN to that brilliant thought. I have experienced exactly the same thing, Gremlin.

You don't have to be a christian to be a christian.

texace · « **Reply #68 on:** September 09, 2003, 01:45:40 PM »

I've always believed that people should not judge another based on their religion. There has been many times when a person finds out I'm not Christian or I don't believe in God and they'll think I'm scum.

Why is this? I don't bash on Christianity...I don't think Christians are any different than I am. They have different beliefs, and I repect that to the fullest. I refuse to base my opinion of someone on their religious beliefs. It's a shame others don't see it that way. I agree with AHGOD in that sense.

Oh well...

Sandman · « **Reply #69 on:** September 09, 2003, 02:07:22 PM »

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Originally posted by AKIron
The "Church of Satan" is not representative of all "Satanists". According to the US Army the "Church of Satan" has between 10,000 and 20,000 "members". I suspect there are many more than that believing themselves to be Satanists.

A quick search yielded this:
http://satan.freeservers.com/defintions.html

Thanx... Two completely separate variants and both use the same name.

Ammo... it appears that neither of us is completely wrong (or right). My apologies for stating otherwise.

Krusher · « **Reply #70 on:** September 09, 2003, 02:12:36 PM »

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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
Again... this is not inconsistent with the statistics presented by PBS which puts the number at roughly 86%

it isnt that important, but you said Americans he said the World.

whatever

Gadfly · « **Reply #71 on:** September 09, 2003, 02:17:02 PM »

It is important, in that there are more people who profess no faith other than themselves in the US than anywhere else in the world. Work over that site, it has pretty good info.

Gadfly · « **Reply #72 on:** September 09, 2003, 02:18:03 PM »

and By the way, I do not consider my self part of any organised religion, but I have no doubt that there is an ordering sense in the world, call it what you will.

Sandman · « **Reply #73 on:** September 09, 2003, 02:19:50 PM »

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Originally posted by Krusher
it isnt that important, but you said Americans he said the World.

whatever

I saw that... the U.S. statistics fall within the bounds he quoted for the world.

-ammo- · « **Reply #74 on:** September 09, 2003, 02:38:38 PM »

It is not necesary to apologize, but thanks for the courtesy. All I was simply saying was the reference you posted, http://www.churchofsatan.com/, has a link on the page that says "Lucifer's Rising", but you had said that the church did not believe in the existence of lucifer or my God. I thought that it may have been an oversight is all.