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Offline lazs1

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« on: December 01, 2001, 10:43:00 AM »
Was getting a little unweildy.  My lazy nature makes me cut and paste.  This is not so much about an island to furball as it is a "place(s)"  to do so.

"stsanta said it... strat potatos and the timid accountants of the sky are pissed when a furball is formed or when there is a chance for one because..... If people aren't forced to... they won't play with em. Mommy used to make people play with em why won't HTC?
Manly melee artists are pissed when they have no opportunity. Or the opportunities are few and far between.

It isn't the ack umbrella (although that is a small part of it) It's the availability of a close fight. A close fight makes for fights between fields with squadmates being able to work together and a lot of action.

Feilds farther apart cause timidity. Who wants to get gangbanged after a long boring flight? You can sit on your hands and wait for an "organized" attack (read gangbang) that will be fun only for an accountant or.... you can circle your own ack and wait for attackers stupid enough to dribble in and hope that yuou are the one of 6 guys chasing said stupid con that get's the (steals the)kill.

CV's being hardened or more of em would help create "closer fields" with current resources. Sky accountants don't want this because if there is a fun place to be.... that's where people will go.
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« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2001, 10:45:00 AM »
well... actualy... stsanta used the term "siphon off players" to describe what happens when there is opportunity for fu, fu, fun but... I tend to be a trifle more blunt.
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« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2001, 10:58:00 AM »
And for those just joining the conversation:

Lazs wants this:
  • A place in the arena that's separate from the main part of the arena, but not really a separate arena.
  • A place where you can always take off free of vulching
  • A place where you are always only moments away from a fight
  • A place where fighters won't always run to ack
  • A place where alt monkeys won't ruin a good furball
That's all he's really asking for.  I think HTC should get right on it.

Oh.. ya... and if you think this is impossible you are a strat potato.

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« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2001, 11:22:00 AM »
I'm going to bring up the question again   :D

What is the MA for?

Please really think about this...don't give some backhand, smart-ass answer just to try and make me look stupid.  I can make myself look far more stupid that you can even dream of   :p

Unless the paramters of the MA are defined I really don't think that anyone can define, or find for that matter, a viable solution.

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« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2001, 11:31:00 AM »
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
And for those just joining the conversation:

Lazs wants this:
  • A place in the arena that's separate from the main part of the arena, but not really a separate arena.
  • A place where you can always take off free of vulching
  • A place where you are always only moments away from a fight
  • A place where fighters won't always run to ack
  • A place where alt monkeys won't ruin a good furball
AKDejaVu

Don't know what thread your reading AKDejaVu but I"m not seeing that, was more like 3 fields close together outside the strat system not the arena, don't care about vulchers, the'll run outta ammo before anyone really cares, but absolutely number 3, thats the purpose, and who really cares about alt monkeys, when they swoop down to do their BnZ thing in a 3K furball they aren't alt monkeys

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« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2001, 12:12:00 PM »
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"stsanta said it... strat potatos and the timid accountants of the sky are pissed when a furball is formed or when there is a chance for one because..... If people aren't forced to... they won't play with em. Mommy used to make people play with em why won't HTC?

lolol thats a classic in the making.

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« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2001, 01:34:00 PM »
Troll.. you need to read a few more of these threads.

Outside of the strat system... that is outside of the area.  Or are you going to allow bombers to drop bombs on spawning aircraft?

Undestructable fields... outside of the strat system... or are you going to provide a means for a plane to just live in their undestructable ack unbrella?

furballs.... outside of the strat system... like there's one definition of what these should be.

How about this... chose what fun you want to have in the MA.  The means are there to do it already.  The perfect world you are looking for does not exist... but feel free to ask for it anyways.  Even if what you are asking for is different than someone who thinks they are asking for the same thing.

I refer you to this thread:

  http://www.hitechcreations.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=012781

Especially to the link posted by HiTech.  You may not think it applies... but it surely does.

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« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2001, 03:09:00 PM »
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Troll.. you need to read a few more of these threads.

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[ 12-01-2001: Message edited by: AKDejaVu ]
Actually I've been reading these post for a couple of years now, don't post much cause this board is about the worst place to offer opinions, suggestions or comments.
But maybe as an small explaination, by outside the strat system I meant that these field existance would in no way affect the field count in a reset, and maybe make the hangars while not indestructable at least have a very fast regen. But yes there would be big problem with the shall we say "less than mature types" in the arena that instead of leaving these fields for what their intended purpose was would loiter at 30K in a buff to try and drop on spawing aircraft or get their jollies vulching till their arms got tired of turning their plane, and easily accept these as reasons to not institute a "fighter town". But I sure wouldn't waste my time on this board asking much less demanding changes in any existing system in place, writing up a proposal with pros/cons and what could be done to alleviate any problem incurred and sent directly to HT would be much more my speed (which with the current MA environment for this type of thing I would personally consider quite worthless to even try)

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(now see what you created-- a wall of text (aka drivel) on what, my 5th post)
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« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2001, 01:15:00 AM »
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What is the MA for?

To have fun.


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« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2001, 08:06:00 AM »
As it is, my personal opinion is that the need of the furballer is easily met by the current arena.

With the huge numbers and small maps, there are always several furballs goin on. A furball is usually ended when one side gets the numerical advantage, pushes the opponent back to his base and then, running out of fling targets, attack the field.

On rare occurences, big missions are made. More often, a flight of 6 or so planes attack a field (well, that's  how my squad does it, and more often it is three or four planes).

Furballers only have to go to another field to get a new furball.

If, however, there is a great desire to just furball, and do nothing but furball, this would warrant a new arena.

If there aren't enough numbers to warrant a new arena, there isn't enough to warrant adjusting the MA: don't fix what is working.

As mentioned before, I could whine about there not being the good old fights - 2v2, 2v3, 2v4, 4v4's. Always interrupted by a huge number of planes. Those are the fights that are most challenging, and to me, most enjoyable.

I ain't a cherry picker, but if I quickly want to score a good number of kills, I take my FW to a furball. I keep the speed around 350 and egress when my altitude is around 100 feet. Climb to 3-5k, and turn back. Such sorties usually result in anywhere between three and six kills.

The great number of enemy planes gives me lots to shoot at. Them being occupied with fighting others give me easy shots. Other friendlies around ensures that the enemy won't dedicate itself to my obliteration - meaning my window of escape is quite large.

For me, furballs are fun, although not as fun as a good 2v2, or 2v3, or 2v4. They're easier to me.

And, they are great fun - there's no doubt about a hot furball is great fun, so I can see where Lazs is coming from.

But, what is serious fun is taking yer squad mates and going on to strike an enemy field. Coordination, teamplay is the key. Chatter on RW is great. There is an actual goal, other than just shooting enemy planes. I.e there's a failure/success thing going in a higher degree than in a furball.

The MA is more furball friendly than ever. it is however still very possible for a squad or person to organise a strike on a non furball field. Why fix that which works very well?

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« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2001, 08:11:00 AM »
oops

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« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2001, 08:27:00 AM »
"Furballers only have to go to another field to get a new furball.

If, however, there is a great desire to just furball, and do nothing but furball, this would warrant a new arena"

Well... that should make it apparent just how far apart a lot of us are.   Still... it proves my point.   The sky accountants and strat potatos fear maps that allow furballs because they feel that no one will play with them if they are not forced.

I don't agree.  I feel there is room for both schools and... that some like a little of both.  I think that a less symetrical map... with more fields close together, harder to take and harder cv's will allow for both styles.   I sometimes think that the strat potatos don't care if they have opportunity so much as they care that if people are having fun they will ignore em...  "lookie lookie I just porked a field at ____ "  "who cares. we are busy".  Instead of "wow, what a stud!"

deja is simply dishonest and it is apparent.  but I will let him prove that further.
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« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2001, 09:23:00 AM »
If so many wanted just that, they would all go to the Dueling arena wehre there IS A FURBALL ISLAND!!!!!!!!!

And don't spew all the crap about the if they are in the arena already then they could just go there, but be away from the "Strat potatos"

Lazs, just go to the furball island and tell all your furball freinds you are there. If furballing is a popular as you think, people will start going there.

Or are you too lazy to do anything to get something organized? How about using some of your efforts to have a weekly event of furballing? If it goes well, you might be able to make it nightly. Hell, if it goes real well, people will be furballing 24-7 in the DA where the furball island is...

Naw, you would rather just keep whining and try to get the MA to have it's own little corner just for you.

And BTW, before you start calling me a "strat potato" or whatever other childish name calling thing you come up with, take a look at my stats for the last few Tours. You will see that I spend 95%+ of my time in fighters shooting down other fighters.

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« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2001, 09:25:00 AM »
Laz is a one-dimensional pilot, he sucks at strat.  Can you blame a man for trying to turn a public swimming pool into a basketball court when he doesn't know how to swim?

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« Reply #14 on: December 03, 2001, 11:18:00 AM »
You don't need to change a basketball court at all rip... there's already a place for people that don't want to take the time to pass, dribble or shoot: the bench.

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