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Offline Lazerus

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« Reply #15 on: September 09, 2003, 06:04:40 PM »
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Even worse... 1 would be Rip.


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« Reply #16 on: September 09, 2003, 06:10:23 PM »
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We're a nation of laws, and the law says what the 12 year old did was a crime.



Then just start young?

She was a minor she can't get charged for a felony.


I got 1 more year b4 I can get charged as an adult..depending on what I did..:rolleyes:



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« Reply #17 on: September 09, 2003, 06:49:25 PM »
I think its all BS, theres nothing when you download kazaa that says downloading music is illeagal or anything else. How is a 12 yr old who probably doesnt pay attention to the news or anything else in the world suppose to know what she did was illeagal? There needs to be something on those programs which informs you, if you download songs your at risk of being arrested blah blah, something should be done.:rolleyes:

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« Reply #18 on: September 09, 2003, 07:33:41 PM »
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Then just start young?

She was a minor she can't get charged for a felony.


I got 1 more year b4 I can get charged as an adult..depending on what I did..:rolleyes:



-edit- I swear I don't download music- -/edit-


True, which is a good thing.  No-one wants to lock up kids.  Keep doing it as an adult..you are in jail.

Sounds fair to me.
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« Reply #19 on: September 09, 2003, 07:38:40 PM »
So in the eyes of the law file swappers fall into the same line as Smack dealers?

That is truly retarded, I think the RIAA goons are actually loosing more people,acting like a Secret Police type of organization. They could adapt and sell the music using their websites and or a sort of CD Burning at stores where you could compile your own track for a reasonable price. This should turn potential  music downloaders away from downloading music"illegally".

The penalty is also way extreme, history has shown the more you penalize a human being the more this human being will do it again and again just to piss people off,negative reinforcement leads to negative result. Downloads might have gone down 20% but I bet the rest of em are downloading just like before the RIAA anouncement.  I agree though if you're a person who downloads in excess of 1k songs per week and put them up for everyone to see, you're inviting yourself for a legal smack down, simple as that.

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« Reply #20 on: September 09, 2003, 09:07:55 PM »
As long as the porn industry doesn't follow the example it's cool with me.

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« Reply #21 on: September 09, 2003, 09:12:44 PM »
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As long as the porn industry doesn't follow the example it's cool with me.




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« Reply #22 on: September 09, 2003, 09:20:20 PM »
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I think its all BS, theres nothing when you download kazaa that says downloading music is illeagal or anything else. How is a 12 yr old who probably doesnt pay attention to the news or anything else in the world suppose to know what she did was illeagal? There needs to be something on those programs which informs you, if you download songs your at risk of being arrested blah blah, something should be done.:rolleyes:


when i was 12 i payed attention to the news...yes it is a crime and a slap on the wrist (10 dollar fine per song...not 100 000 dollars) is in order...but the way that there doing it (simply coming up with a "potential" list and DEMANDING the information without a warrent etc) I am against...and the option to download music at a decent price (1 dollar a song) is already available to mac users...they shouldent go after little kids or small time users...only the people downloading more than 50 songs a day (hell my ISP gave them all the royal boot...)


anyway...once the RIAA manages to sue someone who DIDNT fileshare (or didnt leave any evidence) there insane money grubbing scheme will burst (how much money do you REALLY think there going to give back to the artists...)

luckily im in canada so im safe for a while...

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« Reply #23 on: September 09, 2003, 09:48:37 PM »
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Even worse... 1 would be Rip.


I guess the other would be me ;)
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« Reply #24 on: September 09, 2003, 09:51:53 PM »
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Then just start young?

She was a minor she can't get charged for a felony.


I got 1 more year b4 I can get charged as an adult..depending on what I did..:rolleyes:



-edit- I swear I don't download music- -/edit-


The parent's or legal guardian can be held legally liable for what their minor's do.
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« Reply #25 on: September 09, 2003, 10:43:23 PM »
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As long as the porn industry doesn't follow the example it's cool with me.


Amen, if that happens EL Glassoid might go a bit more loony.

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« Reply #26 on: September 09, 2003, 11:16:34 PM »
Good thing I've never been much into the music...

However I'd say MP3 downloading is way too exagerated.
For example you simply cannot compare it to shoplifting, since you can just as well in the case compare it to stealing of a CD from the store and thats one CD less to sell for the store and the publisher... but downloading MP3 , it's cloning.. think of the CD's cloning in the store if someone steals one. (oh.. not gonna happen any time soon! ...just wait for the time we can grab a blank disc from a desk, insert it into a machine at the store and the machine writes the chosen music into it in less than 5 minutes)


Sabre,

In any case, the price of music hasn't gone down even when there was hardly option to download music over the net, so how could we expect it to go down if people won't buy it?
With the inflation, it's only been going up from what I've seen, with the exception of a couple publishers or so.
I remember the CD hype from several years back.. it was supposed to make music cheaper as opposed to casettes or LP's, however I'm yet to see it come true.. I've only seen the dissapearance of casettes and LP's. (and by now making music on casettes and LP's would be more expensive, just because the manufacturing price has gone up for the two! )

I suppose the people sharing music on casettes was too big burden on the music industry and they kept the prices high :rolleyes: