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Offline Mathman

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« Reply #30 on: September 10, 2003, 11:06:50 AM »
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Lowered landing gear is the international sign of surrender (in the air).


Thanks for cluing me in!  All this time and I thought it was an invitation to turn some poor moronic sap into confetti.

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« Reply #31 on: September 10, 2003, 12:31:52 PM »
Dave Dave Dave, you're all talk about how good you are and how many Rook slimes you've sent to their deaths.  Time to put your AH handle where your mouth is and let some stats tell a story.  I'm betting you don't even know what a Rook looks like let alone ever shot one down! :D

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« Reply #32 on: September 10, 2003, 01:13:15 PM »
If the P51 "Hero" lets himself get lo and slo and mixed up with lalas then vulching his dedstick butt is too good for him. Always funny when someguy whines because he got killed while ded stick yet if the roles were reversed he would do exactly the same.  Same with HO whiners.  They only whine when they lose the HO not a peep outta them if they manage to win it.

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« Reply #33 on: September 10, 2003, 01:17:18 PM »
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Ok, to get an objective opinion I will write this from a 3rd person perspective-

Your sitting above a Rook base in your hot air balloon.  Below are about 10 Rook planes:  La7s, typhoons, spits, and hurricanes.  Theres also about 4 valiant Knight attackers.  The Knights dive down from about 8k and start attacking the airbase along with the Rooks.

All of a sudden you see a Knight P-51, piloted by an extremely skilled aviator, zoom down on the base.  He opens fire on a Rook aircraft and it disentegrates.  He then proceeds to strafe not one, but TWO 20mm anti-aircraft guns.  

 Hes now mixed up in a tight furball with a La7, a spit, and a hurricane.  The mustang pilot kills the La7 with whom hes scissoring very tightly.  But as soon as he does, a Rook Hurricane2c comes along and HOs him.  The mustang pilot tries to evade but takes several 20mm shells in the engine.  To his horror, he watches as his prop slows to a complete stop.  Yet hes not finished yet!  A spitfire comes at him from 10:00 high, firing 20mm and 50 cals. The spit misses, and our 51 pilot fires a snapshot, sending the filthy rook to his death.

So now our hero is in a predicament.  Altitude is 200ft AGL, airpseed is 120 and dropping fast.  So he drops full flaps and gear, and decides to set it down.  Just when he thinks hes out of danger, a Focke-Wulf 190D (rarest of the rare planes), being piloted by Adolph Hitler himself, comes along and saddles up on the P-51s six.  The FW pilot can clearly see that the P51 has lowered his flaps, extended his gear, and is dead-stick.  Yet he fires hundreds of 20mm high explosive shells into the P51, blowing off the wings of the mustang and sending its heroic pilot to his death.

So which is it worse to be, a vulcher, or someone who kills heros while they are trying to crash land?


The whole story seem quite contrived ...

I can go for the scissors death on the La-7, but when a C-Hurri sends several (cannon) shells into your engine area, there is usually a large explosion that follows.

The HO was probably a high deflection shot too, otherwise this incredible hero should/would have send a stream of .50 cals into him ... no mention of that.

BUT ... I would imagine at this point the P51 is REAL slow and the C-Hurri turns like a Spit, so why was there enough time for a Spit to take a shot at the hero, miss, and the P51 get a brilliant snapshot on the Spit all before the C-Hurri turns and lights his bellybutton up ?

AND ... still, amongst all that has transpired, the P51 has the speed to stay aloft long enough for a 190D to saddle up on his six and fire HUNDREDS of cannon rounds into the P51 before sending the hero to his death ... and the C-Hurri is still not in the fight picture.

Bottom line ... If its red ... its dead.
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« Reply #34 on: September 10, 2003, 09:19:02 PM »
If it doesnt fit...It must be sh**
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« Reply #35 on: September 10, 2003, 11:29:59 PM »
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You mean the German pilot parachuting over Germany who would then walk through Germany, France -- swim the English Channel -- and then surrender to allied authorities?

Distasteful or not, there's a big difference between surrender (shot down over enemy territority) and evading death and capture to fight again another day (bailing out over friendly territority). On the battlefield it was bad form to shoot prisoners surrendering with their hands up, but I don't think anybody gave much though to shooting the soldier trying to rush back to a secondary defensive position.

And as far as honor is concerned, well, that would just be another big discussion over Nazis vs. "good germans defending the homeland," wars of agression, agressors vs defenders vs civilians, shortening the war vs not shortning the war, stopping the senseless slaughter at any cost so that freedom can return to occupied and oppressed people, fewer through the gates of Auschwitz vs. more... Kinda relative.

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True, many rules were broken during WWII, especially by the Germans and Japanese. Not accepting surrender is not just considered "bad form", but actually illegal in war. Killing pilots while they're hanging under a chute is also illegal, only paratroopers may be attacked while still "in their chutes". I ones saw an interview with a US 51 driver where he described how he was horrified when he saw a 109 shooting up bailed B17 crewmen. He attacked the 109 and killed the pilot in his own chute. Poetic justice if you ask me.

The 51 pilot said he could not believe how the German could do something like that, I wonder what he would have thought about Yeager doing it too. Seems like the Germans and British were more "cordial" in their A2A battles than your battles. I don't remember hearing about the LW shooting British pilots during BoB, even if they might have won that battle if they did.

The "Bloody 100th" is another example how the LW vs. USAAF air war turned worse and rules were overlooked.
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« Reply #36 on: September 10, 2003, 11:50:51 PM »
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I don't remember hearing about the LW shooting British pilots during BoB, even if they might have won that battle if they did.




The Germans used to strafe the life boats the British had set up in the Channel and in response the British used to shoot down the SAR planes the Germans used to use to recover downed pilots in the Channel.  Not that is was standard operating procedure for either side but it was done by all sides by individual pilots.


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« Reply #37 on: September 11, 2003, 01:05:10 AM »
That would actually be legal. Shooting the pilots on the ground or in the sea is not banned, neither is shooting SAR panes unless they have red crosses on them. Shooting pilots still in the chute however is.
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« Reply #38 on: September 12, 2003, 08:56:33 PM »
Hero?  In a virtual flight sim?  No such thing!

Lets leave that term for those who truely deserved it, shall we?
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Re: Rooks would have babies if they thought it would give them perk points
« Reply #39 on: September 13, 2003, 01:45:23 AM »
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So which is it worse to be, a vulcher, or someone who kills heros while they are trying to crash land?

Heroes? In an online flight sim? Seems one is taking this a wee bit too serious.
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« Reply #40 on: September 13, 2003, 01:46:57 AM »
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A target is a target regardless if it's in the air or on the ground.

I did something similiar to JB42.  He was in a bf109 and I scored a direct hit on his engine with a burst of from my .50 cals, which took out his engine.  I saw his engine sputter and finally seize so I broke off his six and pulled up into a spiral climb and watched him try and glide to a deadstick landing.  As he touched down and was rolling to a stop, I came diving in and blew him away with a nice solid burst from my 20mm cannon.  I could have finished him off in the air instead of waiting until he ditched but then it wouldn't have been as much fun.


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LOL, not to mention "wasting of ammo" on a moving target.
I prefer mine stationary, less chance of my getting shot down that way :D
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« Reply #41 on: September 13, 2003, 01:50:00 AM »
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I, the P-51 pilot, blew all my energy strafing the gun positions.  Then I mixed it up with the bandits to help out my fellow knights.

Lowered landing gear is the international sign of surrender (in the air).


Good thing we don't have to pay attn to your international signs when playing this sim. ;)
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« Reply #42 on: September 13, 2003, 03:26:26 AM »
Did you only get 2 acks?..

Practise your aiming kid :cool:

ohh..btw, what kind of post it this?

a) Im such a good pee51 jock

or..

b) I got killed..WHINE..WHIIIIIIINE... ..
« Last Edit: September 13, 2003, 03:30:29 AM by Nilsen »

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« Reply #43 on: September 13, 2003, 11:15:29 AM »
I think its a "Im such a good Peee 51 pilot and a hero to boot."
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« Reply #44 on: September 13, 2003, 12:23:40 PM »
would be my bet to DrDea... good point abut the hero thing :D