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SOB · « **Reply #15 on:** September 10, 2003, 10:55:16 AM »

DoctorYo, could you tell us the ratio of flights that weren't hijacked to flights that were hijacked since the first hijacking occured?

SOB

majic · « **Reply #16 on:** September 10, 2003, 10:56:03 AM »

"If this was some new form of aggression"

You mean like an entirely new MO?

DoctorYO · « **Reply #17 on:** September 10, 2003, 10:57:54 AM »

has nothing to do with country; has to do with keeping them out of the cockpit...

who owns the plane.... airlines...

who can put a door in, at a cost of course and remove the threat of airplane missle tactics.

Airlines...

Airlines are the catalyst of Sept 11th..

How many hijackings happen to Isreal in last 5-10 years...

I rest my case...

This is like telling a small child hey dont play with ants... hey dont play with ants... then the child gets stun and whines why didn't you tell me... wtf

make your own deductions ...

Physical security of nation is a huge task but not securing the cockpit door (with some 30+ years of threat) is nothing but greed...

They took over the aircraft with box cutters... that doesn't grab you as pathetic...

If they had explosives, mp5's and chemicals Die hard style then nothing could be done.. but no they went low tech with razor blades and box cutters

razor blade vs steel / kevlar reinforced door is like attacking a tire with a plastic spoon...

nuff said...

Its a shame you just dont see it..

catalyst thought works people, not needle in a haystack..

DoctorYO

SOB · « **Reply #18 on:** September 10, 2003, 11:07:36 AM »

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Originally posted by DoctorYO
They took over the aircraft with box cutters... that doesn't grab you as pathetic...

You know, you make a good point. They only had box cutters AND they were outnumbered. I think the other victims' families should be suing the families of the victims who were aboard the planes. Surely they could have overtaken the hijackers without much harm to themselves.

Also, who made those box cutters. I think Stanley should be ponying up some cash. After all, box cutters cut, and could obviously be used to harm people and even take over airliners. We've all seen the pilots come out of the cockpit to take a leak, and I'm sure the big wigs at Stanley have seen this a time or two as well. Surely they could have made the connection and at least slapped a warning on the box the box cutter came in "Not for use by terrorists to hijack airplanes".

Hmmm, who else can we sue. Maybe if we think hard enough we can get in on this too. I didn't personally know anyone who died in the towers or at the Pentagon, or even on the four aircraft, but I felt sick every time I saw or thought about what happened. Maybe I could sue NBC for airing footage of the terrorist attack!

SOB

majic · « **Reply #19 on:** September 10, 2003, 11:08:15 AM »

"who can put a door in, at a cost of course and remove the threat of airplane missle tactics."

Of course, YOU saw this coming.

DoctorYO · « **Reply #20 on:** September 10, 2003, 11:34:07 AM »

Not necessary a WTC attack. but the threat of some crazed person getting control of a aircraft and crashing it into something yes...

Hell stupid Con Air even had a movie about it....

Cheesy but really the same thing... you get the cockpit you got root access skuzzy.... you going to give me or any other ya hoo root access for any reason on your network...

I think not ....

you protect your network , routers thru updates, patches monitoring systems to prevent that becuase if you do nothing you will be compromised..

why do the airlines allow it then.. they did nothing and were compromised.. no you tell me thats goverments fault (some fault lies with them but not the majority)

your telling me no one in the airline industry ever contemplated about this. Or they just enron shredded all studies about this topic to avoid liability... Fat Chance..

I bet there insurance carriers knew it was a possibility. Lockerbie, etc...

Use that thing between your ears that you call a brain and wake up... ?

this isn't rocket science I could do some research and spoon feed it to fellas if you like...

I know its unpopular but sometimes the truth hurts most..

DoctorYo

SOB · « **Reply #21 on:** September 10, 2003, 11:43:44 AM »

Now, I know Skuzzy works a lot, but I doubt he is there monitoring his network 24/7. On the other hand, for an airliner to be in operation, it is staffed, and it has passengers. Also, the passengers are screened by security to help reduce the threat of a hijacking by trying to eliminate weapons. Who in their right mind would have thought guys armed with box cutters would take over their aircraft and then crash them into buildings?

I'm sorry that I'm not prone to conspiracy theories or that the big bully airlines knew a bunch of Arab ********s were gonna make their aircraft into flying missiles that day. I instead choose to use that thing between my ears for rational thought. Crazy, I know.

SOB

Eagler · « **Reply #22 on:** September 10, 2003, 12:50:29 PM »

greed and selfishness

they can't care what this will do to the industry, who else will lose their job due to more cutbacks in the airlines, the affect it has on the countrys economy thus the stock market thus ppl's 401k & investments and the circle continues...

nope - all about them and da $$$

DoctorYO · « **Reply #23 on:** September 10, 2003, 02:40:27 PM »

So let me get this straight you think that me pointing out the neglect of security on the cockpits of airlines over the last 30 years is conspiracy.. I really wish it was conspiracy I might accept that... but pure greed from doing the right thing, and protecting your customers from threat is nothing but a crock on their part... they have done nothing and as a result 3000 of my fellow americans get shredded. And Eagler wants me to subsidize such an industry and claim everything is jolly.

Eagler you speak your mind and that’s good, really no bs... but on this matter I cant put a price on my fellow americans heads, your talking 401ks, and economy; I dont want to "what if" you to death, but if the doors were there would be no September 11th as we know it...

Doors what maybe 100 million....

Cost to United States after September 11th were talking trillions when it’s over...

Our economy went to crap after Sept 11 because of investor confidence.. We had Enron... We had WorldCom.. We had California energy crisis, (which wasn't a crisis as more than a gouging/price fixing) then we had warfare brought to the home front... That combination caused the decline not the attack by itself.. Oh yeah we also had a whole industry belly also.. .DOT BOMB... a year earlier.. where’s the subsidies there... there wasn't any.. Why should some sorry airlines be any different...

Stop thinking with emotion and look at the facts...

I don’t want anyone to lose their job but at the same token I don’t want some inept industry making extreme profits late 1990's (tech boom travel/booming economy) and not reinvest some of that cash into coffers for times like these... and then cry foul when they have squandered their resources and now want a bailout.. Southwest airlines , Jet blue etc.. They are surviving in this economy what United, and American should be any different.

So your economy claim is while appreciated very moot...

I’m not trying to flame no one to death but that’s how I see it. People calling me susceptible to conspiracy is feeble attack, this isn't conspiracy this is negligence....

DoctorYo

Eagler · « **Reply #24 on:** September 10, 2003, 02:55:27 PM »

it opens the door to sue anyone for anything .. oh wait that door is already open

it allows the lawyers to sue for the next terrorist attack - regardless the delivery method

take anthrax - should someone be able to sue the post office over that one?

unforeseen, first time, probably never repeated events should not make the greedy lawyers fatter

DoctorYO · « **Reply #25 on:** September 10, 2003, 03:19:43 PM »

I dont think the Post Office is responsible for biological attack. A door and military grade anthrax technologies are apples and oranges... one could be easily prevented the other cannot..

thats the negligence issue, could you do anything to prevent this? .... in the case of the hijacking yes... in the case of weapon grade anthrax unlikely...

Thats the issue, the threat of highjacking has been around for 30+ years the threat of anthrax use for terrorism purposes let alone military grade bioweapons out in the public has been around less than 2 years..

Big difference there..

More on topic with the original thread writer im against capping... reasons are simple Microsuft is a good example of this.. They play harball with their competitors, with the goverment, with the consumers..

a 50 million dollar fine to them is like you giving 1 cent out of your pocket.. how much deterent is that... how bout none.. to limit a judge to make his decision based on capping will hurt the consumer in the long run...

Look how MS is setttling all its cases right at the moment 5 mill here 20 mill there... antitrust here... etc...

there are other companies out there with similiar situtations near unlimited pockets and a pack of pitbulls (lawyers to drag out cases and the costs to pursue them....)

Do i agree with lawyers getting fat off others backs, not really but whats a better system, no deterent.. I dont concur...

Dont limit the judge.. let him and a jury decide.. not some static cap...

DoctorYO

najdorf · « **Reply #26 on:** September 10, 2003, 03:22:47 PM »

One thing the tort reform weenies never tell you is that litigation doesn't increase your premiums. That is based on the overall financial condition of the company which is dependent on the economy. Several studies have been done to show this to be true.

Secondly, Almost all of these cases involve jury trials. That means the people making the awards are everyday citizens, not people with legal careers or people in the legal system. The jury made the crazy award in the famous McDonald's hot coffee case and a JUDGE reduced it.

Eagler · « **Reply #27 on:** September 10, 2003, 03:32:54 PM »

yo

sure the post office is responsible for what they deliver to your door ..

they should have had equipment to detect the anthrax - just because it never happened before is not a reason not to be prepared - is it?

again i say it is nothing more than a quick buck - i don't think anyone involved cares if they "fix" the airlines from terrorists or not

hehe - if we fixed it Israeli style checkins - the same lawyers would be in court with some suit against the airline for discrimination or some other ridiculous claim ...

DmdBT · « **Reply #28 on:** September 10, 2003, 08:30:18 PM »

This BS gets to go to court AND I STILL CAN'T SUE MCDONALDS FOR MAKING ME FAT! This is wrong, just horribly wrong.

Fatty · « **Reply #29 on:** September 10, 2003, 08:39:11 PM »

So Najdorf, you're saying an insurance company that provides coverage against lawsuits does not look at the potential costs resulting from lawsuits?

They must have been expensive studies indeed.