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Bodhi · « **Reply #30 on:** September 10, 2003, 10:09:34 PM »

DoctorYo,

Your example of flowing stupidity is the reason litigation is run amok in this country. Hell, I suppose ArgenBrite should be sued as well.... why not the pilots families of those aircraft as well, because in the end, the pilot's opened the doors to the flight deck. (Albeit on atleast one aircraft it was after the hijackers GUTTED to people outside the door to get them to do it.) I bet the same thing would have happened had they had reinforced doors, especially since no one knew that the hijackers would crash into some buildings, because it was a first.

Your assertion that the airlines "knew this was going to happen" is completely absurd, not too mention assinine. Ohh, and I suppose you believe that the FBI and CIA did too but decided to do nothing in hopes to pass legislation to restrict our civil liberties.

Tell ya what, I think we should sue you for burning our eyes with your stupidity.

DoctorYO · « **Reply #31 on:** September 11, 2003, 10:10:30 AM »

Bodhi the flowing stupidity i suggest keeps companies in check... By keeping companies in check; pure unbriddled injustice is deterred...

The alternative is violence. You people get hufffy puffy over lawsuits, think about what happens when you screw people over and over and over and what retribution they can cook up in lew of justice...

If someone causes you grief, you have no recourse is what your suggesting. I would rather have some form of legal recourse.. People are only going eat so much crap.. By offering a semi fair system to voice there claims is better than nothing..(not perfect though)

Again the alternative is violence.. really do your history.. especially fuedal society and history that comes with it and youll get the point... (thats giving you a lot a credit)

Or continue to use simian thought process by suggesting the FBI didn't know something was up with cropdusters, aircraft, and aircraft training... Ill include the links for the monkey impaired...

http://www.newsminute.com/fbiwhistleblower.htm
(oh wait that may be biased, how bout another)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/september11/story/0,11209,723422,00.html
(oh thats guardian uk theyre communist liberals how bout another)

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/sns-worldtrade-investigation.story
(more credible, but still dumbocrats)

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,249997,00.html
(have the letter from the horses mouth)

Anymore more insolence from you and well have you tarred and feathered...

Now back on topic

The Mc fatty issue was tossed by the judge... see now the people that brought the frivilous suit now get to pay court costs most likely the defendants attorney fees etc... good for them have another big mac on me... serves them right..

See thats the Judge factor most judges are intelligent and see gold diggers when they present themselves in court.

That concept of justice and compensation may be too much for your feeble brain Bodhi, but then again you dont believe in free speech either...

what have you done for your country?
Ive spent years of my life overseas in active service, you?

At a minimum for my service im entitled free speech.. you may not think so, I suggest you move to North Korea.. Dear Leader may need your services... Their laws are more your alley... and btw the irony of the space monkey picture is a little scary.... borderline twilight zone....

enjoy...

DoctorYo

"Again its not conspriacy in my eyes, people are human even the fbi, but the airlines have no defense for 30+ years of negligence..."

miko2d · « **Reply #32 on:** September 11, 2003, 12:02:23 PM »

Curval: ..but if my family was killed I'd be looking to lash out at anyone and everyone potentially responsible.

What's "potential" about this? If I run an explosives business and leave a truckload of dynamite unguarded or not guarded properly so a criminal can easily steal it and murder thousands of people, wouldn't you hold me responcible?

It's not like "if he did not have a gun, he would use a knife" argument. After all, there are not that many things that you can fly into buildings besides the jumbo aeroplanes that weight a lot and contain scores tonns of fuel.

Bodhi: ...especially since no one knew that the hijackers would crash into some buildings, because it was a first...

It is excusable for you to believe that - you are just ignorant about the facts not related to your areas of expertise. But the people in charge of the airline security should have known (and did know) better - about all the attempts and plans to use airliners as missiles. As well as about abundance of zealots willing and commonly commiting suicidal attacks.

miko

ra · « **Reply #33 on:** September 11, 2003, 01:50:01 PM »

Did Ryder get sued for the Oklahoma City bombing?

firbal · « **Reply #34 on:** September 11, 2003, 01:54:52 PM »

Up till 9/11, no one has used and airliner as a weapon. Usely the highjackers just make a demand and see what happens. No one knew this was going to happen. We do now. But it had never happen before. The rules were changed by the terriorist. The airlines didn't.

ra · « **Reply #35 on:** September 11, 2003, 02:06:27 PM »

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If I run an explosives business and leave a truckload of dynamite unguarded or not guarded properly ...

Which airliners where left unguarded? They were boarded at airports guarded by the Federal government. The terrorists are waging a largely economic war against us, and these greedy lawyers are helping them.

ra

Eagler · « **Reply #36 on:** September 11, 2003, 02:10:59 PM »

if they poison the water - who can we sue?

if they poison the air - who can we sue?

if they shoot up the mall - who can we sue? Sears? JC Penny?

if they set off a dirty bomb at McDill who can I sue?

please tell me so I can be first in line for my check ....

it goes from greed to borderline morbid/sick

miko2d · « **Reply #37 on:** September 11, 2003, 02:18:19 PM »

firbal: Up till 9/11, no one has used and airliner as a weapon.

Never successfully used airliner as a weapon. Experts knew about several such attempts in recent history.
Also smaller planes where successfully used as a weapon thousands of times. And airliners were hijacked many times. And many of the people in the groups responcible for hijacking the airliners participated in suicidal terror acts/attacks. Even if one did not know about the failed attempts, adding the three together: plaines as weapons + airliners hijacked + suicidal terrorists = ???

No one knew this was going to happen.

You mean you did not know. That just shows the extent of your ignorance. Which is excusable, unless you work in the airline security business or a government security agency.

The rest of us (granted, it would be a small group of people capable of thinking, if not for the recently popular movies like "Executive Decision" and few other movies, TV-shows and books with suicidal terrorists crashing hijacked airliners into valuable targets) just did not know when this was going to happen.

miko

Rude · « **Reply #38 on:** September 11, 2003, 02:20:41 PM »

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It is excusable for you to believe that - you are just ignorant about the facts not related to your areas of expertise. But the people in charge of the airline security should have known (and did know) better - about all the attempts and plans to use airliners as missiles. As well as about abundance of zealots willing and commonly commiting suicidal attacks.

This is not true.

The airlines knew of hijackings, but their training to handle such an event was for pilots to keep them calm and to fly where they wanted to fly....the hijackers knew this, as they told the pilots that no one would get hurt...just fly the plane.

Toad?

miko2d · « **Reply #39 on:** September 11, 2003, 02:28:05 PM »

Rude: This is not true.

The airlines knew of hijackings, but their training to handle such an event was for pilots to keep them calm and to fly where they wanted to fly....

What is not true? You seem to agree with everything I said word for word.

The airlines knew about hijackings where terrorists intended to use the planes as missiles.

Despite that knowlege, they went along with disarming the pilots and trained the crews to cooperate with the hijackers.

That is why they are being sued. For culpable negligence.

miko

ra · « **Reply #40 on:** September 11, 2003, 02:50:16 PM »

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Despite that knowlege, they went along with disarming the pilots and trained the crews to cooperate with the hijackers.

If they knew the planes might be used as missiles, why would they train their pilots to go along with the ride? Even without these insane lawsuits, the loss of an airliner full of passengers is crippling. It would have been in their own best interests to augment the security provided at the airports if they thought this would happen.

And they could not legally arm their pilots without federal approval, which was hard to obtain even after 9/11.

Everyone's an expert on airline security after 9/11. Especially the lawyers.

ra

miko2d · « **Reply #41 on:** September 11, 2003, 03:01:23 PM »

ra: If they knew the planes might be used as missiles, why would they train their pilots to go along with the ride?

They thought "What's the chance it will happen on my watch? It's too much hassle to do anything about it!"

Don't you follow the problems (sabotage) they experience trying to re-arm the pilots? And that's after 9/11 wich could have been prevented by armed pilots! Till 1970s pilots were obligated to carry firearms!

And they could not legally arm their pilots without federal approval, which was hard to obtain even after 9/11.

Exactly. Too much bother. Little perceived risk of it happening to the executive in question.
How about the reinforced doors and security procedures? Like possibly cooperating with the hijackers and flying where they want - but from behind a closed door? Did that require federal approval as well?

Everyone's an expert on airline security after 9/11. Especially the lawyers.

Quite a few experts - including those linked with Israeli security which did disrupt just such attempts - now claim that they warned US government and airlines many times.

miko