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Offline Krusher

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« on: September 10, 2003, 02:22:07 PM »
A few weeks back we were discussing the common Iraqis opinion on the war. I wanted to wait for Zogby to complete his poll and now it is out. For the most part it is very good news.
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read the full version at http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110003991

It reflects a nationally representative sample of Iraqi views, as captured in four disparate cities: Basra (Iraq's second largest, home to 1.7 million people, in the far south), Mosul (third largest, far north), Kirkuk (Kurdish-influenced oil city, fourth largest) and Ramadi (a resistance hotbed in the Sunni triangle).

The results show that the Iraqi public is more sensible, stable and moderate than commonly portrayed, and that Iraq is not so fanatical, or resentful of the U.S., after all. •

Iraqis are optimistic. Seven out of 10 say they expect their country and their personal lives will be better five years from now. On both fronts, 32% say things will become much better. •

The toughest part of reconstructing their nation, Iraqis say by 3 to 1, will be politics, not economics.

They are nervous about democracy. Asked which is closer to their own view--"Democracy can work well in Iraq," or "Democracy is a Western way of doing things"--five out of 10 said democracy is Western and won't work in Iraq. One in 10 wasn't sure. And four out of 10 said democracy can work in Iraq. There were interesting divergences. Sunnis were negative on democracy by more than 2 to 1; but, critically, the majority Shiites were as likely to say democracy would work for Iraqis as not. People age 18-29 are much more rosy about democracy than other Iraqis, and women are significantly more positive than men. •

Asked to name one country they would most like Iraq to model its new government on from five possibilities--neighboring, Baathist Syria; neighbor and Islamic monarchy Saudi Arabia; neighbor and Islamist republic Iran; Arab lodestar Egypt; or the U.S.--the most popular model by far was the U.S. The U.S. was preferred as a model by 37% of Iraqis selecting from those five--more than Syria, Iran and Egypt put together. Saudi Arabia was in second place at 28%. Again, there were important demographic splits. Younger adults are especially favorable toward the U.S., and Shiites are more admiring than Sunnis. Interestingly, Iraqi Shiites, coreligionists with Iranians, do not admire Iran's Islamist government; the U.S. is six times as popular with them as a model for governance. •

Our interviewers inquired whether Iraq should have an Islamic government, or instead let all people practice their own religion. Only 33% want an Islamic government; a solid 60% say no. A vital detail: Shiites (whom Western reporters frequently portray as self-flagellating maniacs) are least receptive to the idea of an Islamic government, saying no by 66% to 27%. It is only among the minority Sunnis that there is interest in a religious state, and they are split evenly on the question. • Perhaps the strongest indication that an Islamic government won't be part of Iraq's future:

The nation is thoroughly secularized. We asked how often our respondents had attended the Friday prayer over the previous month. Fully 43% said "never." It's time to scratch "Khomeini II" from the list of morbid fears. •

You can also cross out "Osama II": 57% of Iraqis with an opinion have an unfavorable view of Osama bin Laden, with 41% of those saying it is a very unfavorable view. (Women are especially down on him.) Except in the Sunni triangle (where the limited support that exists for bin Laden is heavily concentrated), negative views of the al Qaeda supremo are actually quite lopsided in all parts of the country. And those opinions were collected before Iraqi police announced it was al Qaeda members who killed worshipers with a truck bomb in Najaf. •

You can write off the possibility of a Baath revival. We asked "Should Baath Party leaders who committed crimes in the past be punished, or should past actions be put behind us?" A thoroughly unforgiving Iraqi public stated by 74% to 18% that Saddam's henchmen should be punished.

This new evidence on Iraqi opinion suggests the country is manageable. If the small number of militants conducting sabotage and murder inside the country can gradually be eliminated by American troops (this is already happening), then the mass of citizens living along the Tigris-Euphrates Valley are likely to make reasonably sensible use of their new freedom. "We will not forget it was the U.S. soldiers who liberated us from Saddam," said Abid Ali, an auto repair shop owner in Sadr City last month--and our research shows that he's not unrepresentative.

None of this is to suggest that the task ahead will be simple. Inchoate anxiety toward the U.S. showed up when we asked Iraqis if they thought the U.S. would help or hurt Iraq over a five-year period. By 50% to 36% they chose hurt over help. This is fairly understandable; Iraqis have just lived through a war in which Americans were (necessarily) flinging most of the ammunition. These experiences may explain why women (who are more antimilitary in all cultures) show up in our data as especially wary of the U.S. right now.

War is never pleasant, though U.S. forces made heroic efforts to spare innocents in this one. Less than 30% of our sample of Iraqis knew or heard of anyone killed in the spring fighting. Meanwhile, fully half knew some family member, neighbor or friend who had been killed by Iraqi security forces during the years Saddam held power.

Perhaps the ultimate indication of how comfortable Iraqis are with America's aims in their region came when we asked how long they would like to see American and British forces remain in their country: Six months? One year? Two years or more? Two thirds of those with an opinion urged that the coalition troops should stick around for at least another year.
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« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2003, 02:28:14 PM »
Anything in there on how they would respond to the UN coming in and helping?


edit: do you have a link?  (thanks for the info, btw)

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« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2003, 02:33:43 PM »
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Anything in there on how they would respond to the UN coming in and helping?


edit: do you have a link?  (thanks for the info, btw)


i didnt see anything on the UN.

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http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110003991

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« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2003, 04:19:50 PM »
Thanks Krusher!

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« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2003, 04:54:38 PM »
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Anything in there on how they would respond to the UN coming in and helping?


edit: do you have a link?  (thanks for the info, btw)


Don't count on a warm welcome of the U.N.


If you'll recall, Hussein got filthy stinkin' rich because of U.N. sanctions and that whole oil for food thing.
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« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2003, 05:15:39 PM »
Very interesting stuff. thanks for posting it.

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« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2003, 07:10:33 PM »
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Don't count on a warm welcome of the U.N.


If you'll recall, Hussein got filthy stinkin' rich because of U.N. sanctions and that whole oil for food thing.



Oh, I'm not, I just thought it was a question they would ask.

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« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2003, 07:19:23 PM »
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Don't count on a warm welcome of the U.N.


If you'll recall, Hussein got filthy stinkin' rich because of U.N. sanctions and that whole oil for food thing.


Interesting "connection", how do you determine that? I'm just curious as I'm sure with state controlled radio during Saddams reign, how much of that information was available to the public, (and how much has been told since?)

Interesting poll Krusher, thanks (Though I'm always leary of polls)
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« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2003, 08:57:48 PM »
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Interesting "connection", how do you determine that? I'm just curious as I'm sure with state controlled radio during Saddams reign, how much of that information was available to the public, (and how much has been told since?)

Interesting poll Krusher, thanks (Though I'm always leary of polls)


You think they could have kept this secret for over a decade?
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« Reply #9 on: September 10, 2003, 09:15:33 PM »
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You think they could have kept this secret for over a decade?


Hmm, I can't comment on that, since I've never lived under a regrime such as his (well, maybe I *have* been with Asscroft)

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« Reply #10 on: September 11, 2003, 06:48:13 AM »
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(Though I'm always leary of polls)
Thats why I really didnt pay much attention to the earlier polls. This one was handled by Zogby international. Zogby is an Arab American so I would hope he has a deeper insight.

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« Reply #11 on: September 11, 2003, 09:17:18 AM »
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Hmm, I can't comment on that, since I've never lived under a regrime such as his (well, maybe I *have* been with Asscroft)


Ah... something we agree on... our mutual dislike of the AG.
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« Reply #12 on: September 11, 2003, 04:40:45 PM »
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If you'll recall, Hussein got filthy stinkin' rich because of U.N. sanctions and that whole oil for food thing.


I don't recall any such thing.  Can you explain how SH got rich of of money he never had access to?

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« Reply #13 on: September 11, 2003, 04:44:52 PM »
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Ah... something we agree on... our mutual dislike of the AG.


The "Cover the statue" did it for me. :rolleyes: