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Offline Ripsnort

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« on: September 10, 2003, 04:28:02 PM »
Heres the scenario:
You're in a discussion about firearms and you're white. The person who you're discussing it with is not a white person.(They brought the subject)

You bring up the fact that African-American males between the ages of 15-24 have the highest firearm homicide rate of any demographic group: 103.4 deaths per 100,000 vs. the white male, 15-24, who has a death rate of 10.5 deaths per 100,000 (1997 stats) (Source: PLU University--http://www.plu.edu/~gunvlnce/facts3.html )

So, the person you're discussing this gets all huffy because they think you're being racist.  I tell them its a cultural difference.  She still thinks I'm racist. :rolleyes:  (Yeah, thats why I dated a black woman when I was 22, because I'm racist! :rolleyes: )

Question:
Is bringing up facts and data racist today?

Why do liberals get so bent out of shape when faced with facts and data?
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« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2003, 04:29:48 PM »
I dont think so but who were you talking to AL SHARPTON? :D
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« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2003, 04:31:21 PM »
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Originally posted by boxboy28
I dont think so but who were you talking to AL SHARPTON? :D


No, shes Philippine, American-born...but that shouldn't matter.
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Offline LePaul

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« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2003, 04:34:06 PM »
Oh a woman...well pfft, why'd ya waste your time?  :p

JK JK!
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« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2003, 04:35:32 PM »
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Oh a woman...well pfft, why'd ya waste your time?  :p

JK JK!


That crossed my mind for a second, then I thought of my wife...you DON'T want to debate her, she'll kill ya with facts off the top of her head, and when you question those facts and look them up, she's dead on. Kinda scarey, guess thats why I married her, she's smarter than me. :)
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Re: Ethics question
« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2003, 04:41:17 PM »
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Why do liberals get so bent out of shape when faced with facts and data?


Dunno about racist Rip but yer definitely a "partiest". Lumping in all liberals when yer debating a woman, ya oughta be ashamed. Maybe yer just a partier? ;)
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« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2003, 04:41:21 PM »
your only thing wrong was trying to have a reasonable conversation with this person.  
(IMO bringing up FACTS can't be racist,  opinions can be racist, facts are facts)

however trying to inject reason into a conversation with an unreasonable person offends them greatly

now you know better, don't do it again.
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« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2003, 04:42:00 PM »
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
That crossed my mind for a second, then I thought of my wife...you DON'T want to debate her, she'll kill ya with facts off the top of her head, and when you question those facts and look them up, she's dead on. Kinda scarey, guess thats why I married her, she's smarter than me. :)


She married you, that debunks your statement right there.

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Offline Ripsnort

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« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2003, 04:43:44 PM »
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however trying to inject reason into a conversation with an unreasonable person offends them greatly

now you know better, don't do it again.


LOL, my best friend and co-worker JUST gave me that same lecture.  Hey, I'm a victim ;)  I was lured into the conversation because she knows I'm a gun owner. :)
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« Reply #9 on: September 10, 2003, 04:44:22 PM »
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She married you, that debunks your statement right there.

;)


Sometimes size DOES conquer common sense. ;)
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« Reply #10 on: September 10, 2003, 05:04:00 PM »
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Heres the scenario:
You're in a discussion about firearms and you're white. The person who you're discussing it with is not a white person.(They brought the subject)

You bring up the fact that African-American males between the ages of 15-24 have the highest firearm homicide rate of any demographic group: 103.4 deaths per 100,000 vs. the white male, 15-24, who has a death rate of 10.5 deaths per 100,000 (1997 stats) (Source: PLU University--http://www.plu.edu/~gunvlnce/facts3.html )

So, the person you're discussing this gets all huffy because they think you're being racist.  I tell them its a cultural difference.  She still thinks I'm racist. :rolleyes:  (Yeah, thats why I dated a black woman when I was 22, because I'm racist! :rolleyes: )

Question:
Is bringing up facts and data racist today?

Why do liberals get so bent out of shape when faced with facts and data?


Perhaps they way you stated your view came out wrong...or maybe you have racist tendencies and never realised it...or maybe you were winning an arguement with a woman (never has good come of this).

It's not just Liberals that get bent when faced with facts and figures, Conservatives can act exactly the same. (See Pat Buchannon)


And we ALL know why you dated a black woman, you wanted some Brown Sugar. ;)
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« Reply #11 on: September 10, 2003, 05:07:05 PM »
Your right, I shouldn't have lumped "All liberals"...but its just a strange coincidence that every time I debate with one (there are LOTS here in Latte Land) that the conversation ends when I start up with facts and data.
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« Reply #12 on: September 10, 2003, 05:08:31 PM »
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And we ALL know why you dated a black woman, you wanted some Brown Sugar. ;)


If I remember to, I'll scan her picture tonight. She was beautiful! after a couple dates she ended up dropping me and dating one of the Seahawks defensive linemen, Jacob Green :(   Lost out to a big guy!
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« Reply #13 on: September 10, 2003, 05:08:58 PM »
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Is bringing up facts and data racist today?

Depends on if you're white or not.
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« Reply #14 on: September 10, 2003, 05:15:20 PM »
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And we ALL know why you dated a black woman, you wanted some Brown Sugar. ;)


As my Dad usta say, "change your luck" :D
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