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Offline hogenbor

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« on: September 11, 2003, 04:48:19 AM »
A friendly field is being vulched. The huge red DARBAR of doom casts its evil shadow over the sector.

Green dots appear and disappear in my screen, all in vain. Before my mind's eye my countrymen are falling in flames.

Up my trusted P-51B to go to the rescue, knowing full well that it will be futile.

Climb up high because I expect the vulchers to come in ridiculously high too, despite their numerical advantage.

When I arrive at the field I see a handful of Spits low as well as another P-51.

I try a few B & Z's but they evade and with an eye on the sky above I dare not blow my E for one kill.

Sure enough, the high bogies arrive, so I hit WEP, extend a bit and start climbing.

109's and 190's far behind me.

Regain E.

A lone 109 seems intent on following me, we're about co-alt >18.000 feet.

We merge, he passes under me. I loop without pulling too much G.

He is in front of me now and does a split S, I roll inverted and follow.

He pulls up and loops very tightly.

I follow and start to black out.

Just before everything goes black I see myself gaining in the loop and that he is close at 350.

He will cross my nose in half a second.

Everythink goes black and I pull the trigger for a very short burst.

I see hit sprites on a completely black screen.

I ease pressure on my stick and the world returns again.

I look up and see a Bf-109.

I observe him bursting into flames and losing a wing.

A kill is awarded.

My heart is full of joy.

Behind me the hordes overrun and capture the field.

One 109 will not return.

I return to base and land safely with nearly all my ammo.

Contemplate that in real life my guns wouldn't have fired under high G.

Smile for the perfect kill.

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« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2003, 06:44:42 AM »
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Contemplate that in real life my guns wouldn't have fired under high G.


Why?
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« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2003, 06:51:10 AM »
p51b guns had a habit of jamming when fired under G.
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« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2003, 06:52:55 AM »
Ahh, thanks.
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« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2003, 09:15:50 AM »
thrila is right, that's why the gun installation on the D model was changed.

Nevertheless I doubt it if 0.50 guns would fire under 6G or more. Does anybody know the practical limits for this?

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« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2003, 09:39:08 AM »
I know the Browning M2HB from my time in the army, and I can't think of any reason why it shouldn't work under high G. Feeding the gun might be a problem, but not the gun itself.
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« Reply #6 on: September 11, 2003, 12:17:40 PM »
Actually the perfect kill, is the break turning spitdweeb at d500. A short burst of 30mm from my 109, the endless waiting as the taters take a full second to travel 500 meters. The delay then POW! one hits just in front of his cockpit. Split second after that "Boom, ein spit weniger!" And the warm n' fuzzy feeling knowing the last thing to go through that spitdweebs mind, was his gunsight.
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« Reply #7 on: September 11, 2003, 12:46:12 PM »
There is no reason a .50 would not fire at 6+ G. As far as the firing pin striking the primer but I doubt it would feed more than 2 or 3 rounds as the belts would be jammed hard against the feed tray.

Crewed on a .50 for awhile in the military also. Very dependable weapons as long as they are clean and timed correctly.

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« Reply #8 on: September 11, 2003, 01:13:23 PM »
The jamming or no fire of the guns on the P-51B was a real problem in WWII.  It was due to how they were mounted in the wing.  As they've already stated this problem was fixed with the D model.  In the book "Into the Teeth of the Tiger" they explain this whole problem.  It was written by a WWII survivor who flew for the Flying Tigers in China.

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« Reply #9 on: September 11, 2003, 01:27:32 PM »
I thought they only had the problem under neg g's?
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« Reply #10 on: September 11, 2003, 01:38:26 PM »
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Actually the perfect kill, is the break turning spitdweeb at d500. A short burst of 30mm from my 109, the endless waiting as the taters take a full second to travel 500 meters. The delay then POW! one hits just in front of his cockpit. Split second after that "Boom, ein spit weniger!" And the warm n' fuzzy feeling knowing the last thing to go through that spitdweebs mind, was his gunsight.


Actually the perfect kill is saddling up on a 109 in a Spit and watching the stick-stirrin, porpose undulations, and timing the perfect lead shot into these physically impossible moves and wathcing the whole empanage separate from the plane and then watching the the 109 spraying lead everywhere hoping to get the lucky shot.   ;)
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« Reply #11 on: September 11, 2003, 01:41:46 PM »
Hitting at 500 with 30mm... that's a good trick... will take little ole me about 10 more years of practise (I had one so far).

Maybe I'll write a new story then.

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« Reply #12 on: September 11, 2003, 03:14:59 PM »
Ice let me check the book again...I believe the negative G issue was with fuel not guns and it was on a different airframe.  I could very well have it backwards though.  I know it had problems with the gun failing to fire and I coulda swore it was due to heavy positive G's.

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« Reply #13 on: September 11, 2003, 03:16:55 PM »
Think about it guys, how many times do you fire your guns when under negative G's in AH?

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« Reply #14 on: September 11, 2003, 03:47:36 PM »
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Think about it guys, how many times do you fire your guns when under negative G's in AH?
 I do quite often. That guy that does the quick split s and you dont want to follow just push over a bit get a quick shot on hit elevators. I get lots of kills that way.
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