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Offline Udie

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« on: September 11, 2003, 04:52:59 PM »
Looks like Clark is going to get into the race for president.  My first thought is that he's a democrat and so I don't like/trust him.  BUT,  he's also a general and even though he was wrong with what he said on CNN durring the major Iraq fighting, he didn't have all the intel to make "the right call" he's still a general and therefore I must consider him with an open mind.

 So could you dems tell me why you think I should vote for him.

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Could you reps tell me why I shouldn't vote for him.


 Right now I'd vote for Bush.  There are many reasons, one of the biggest being that I don't think it's wize to change leaders in the middle of a war.  You never know though, and Clark may have a good strategic mind.  He is the ONLY dem I would even give a 2nd thought to...

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« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2003, 04:57:15 PM »
He thinks Hillary would make a great VP?

Offline Ripsnort

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« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2003, 05:08:31 PM »
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He thinks Hillary would make a great VP?


Yer jokin' right? He said that?

Offline Udie

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« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2003, 05:10:49 PM »
Thanks Rude, that solved that real quick LOL :D

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« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2003, 06:06:35 PM »
Not that this means much but I have heard several callers on radio talk shows who claim to have been under clark and that he was a scum bag who ordered them to lie about things and did not care about his men.

One was on the Sean hannedy show. I can remeber where I heard the other.

I am still on the fence, but if he did say that about clintons looser wife, he is out for me.

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« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2003, 06:33:31 PM »
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He thinks Hillary would make a great VP?


Rude, snaggin' fish is illegal.

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« Reply #6 on: September 11, 2003, 07:13:18 PM »
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Not that this means much but I have heard several callers on radio talk shows who claim to have been under clark and that he was a scum bag who ordered them to lie about things and did not care about his men.

One was on the Sean hannedy show. I can remeber where I heard the other.

I am still on the fence, but if he did say that about clintons looser wife, he is out for me.


Expect more unsupported 'facts' to come out about Wes Clark, it's a sure sign that the right is worried about him.

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« Reply #7 on: September 11, 2003, 07:15:58 PM »
You should absolutely trust anything you hear from Hannety and Colmes

NOT

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« Reply #8 on: September 11, 2003, 07:23:38 PM »
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he's still a general and therefore I must consider him with an open mind.


Well, using that logic whats wrong with Kerry?

I'm still voting Bush all the way unless he does something really wrong.  If its a story from CNN I wont believe it.  If its from Fox you can take it to the bank!  :D
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« Reply #9 on: September 11, 2003, 07:41:25 PM »
Something about generals who are democrats just freaks me out ;)
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« Reply #10 on: September 11, 2003, 07:45:42 PM »
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Something about generals who are democrats just freaks me out ;)


Yeah, it's like a pro choice priest.

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« Reply #11 on: September 11, 2003, 08:32:49 PM »
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Something about generals who are democrats just freaks me out ;)


That's "retired" general. Clark has stated that while he was active, he was completely non-partisan. He took the time and researched the issues and party positions before settling on the democratic party as the one that he most agreed with. He does agree with some GOP positions and he doesn't agree with all of the DNC.
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« Reply #12 on: September 11, 2003, 09:02:44 PM »
heh. we'll see.  Clark's got a lot of bargaining power -- for example, more americans know who he is than know who is any other potential dem candidate (except Hilary).

As to the accusations about his conduct as a commentator during hte war: I will confess to having fully enjoyed Wes Clark's commentary during the war. My impression was: A) he was genuinely interested (perhaps too much for someone I'd was as president) in the tactical aspect.  When the British crew broadcast the Um-Qasr fight live, I switched through the three US cable networks, and stuck with CNN, because of the commentators, ol' Wes knew what the hell he was talking about. When there was a shift change, he stuck on until the end of that battle. Like those of us who watched us live, he was genuinely interested in it.  Now, that's not necessarily a good quality for an announcer.

I also heard the pentagon comments about "blow-dried generals" who were being counterproductive to the war effort with their criticism.  The worst criticism I heard from Gen. Clark was that the US had a less than optimal number of troops on the ground.  And, uh, yeah, he was correct in that assessment, and it's my guess you'd be hard-pressed to find someone beneath the pentagon who didn't want to have forces in theater.

Anyway, the character assassination began at least as early as the military action in Iraq, and probably before.  Some folks will undoubtedly chime in with some interesting claims about his actions in Kosovo.

I don't know whether I'd want him as president or VP, but he does strike me as a guy with a brain and a mind of his own.  I've reached the point where I view Republicans and Democrats as coke and pepsi, and I'm a beer drinker. If I have to choose, I'd want someone capable of making professional decisions without having to rely on a bunch of advisors -- who generally prefer fellatio to fidelity.  But, in the words of our Supreme Court, "The individual citizen has no constitutional right to select an elector".

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« Reply #13 on: September 11, 2003, 09:22:41 PM »
We do have the right to select the candidates, though.

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« Reply #14 on: September 12, 2003, 12:56:33 AM »
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Something about generals who are democrats just freaks me out ;)


Yeah that Bronze star, Purple Heart, Combat Infantry Badge and 4 stars were probably just given to him by mistake along with the Rhodes scholarship and Nato command - I mean if all those people just HAD to be wrong about the guy over a 30 year career!!