Better Perk Points For bombers

[Blackbal]

Want to stop the suicide dweebery?  Then modify perk points awarded to follow the scoring system.  Instead of the full reward regardless of outcome with a small bonus for landing.

Final perk points awarded for a sortie should follow this pattern, the actual values could be changed but the general idea is right:

Muliplied by:

1.25 - Landed
0.75 - Ditched
0.5   - Bailed successfully
0.4   - Captured
0.25 - Death

[AVRO1]

Originally posted by Blackbal
Want to stop the suicide dweebery?  Then modify perk points awarded to follow the scoring system.  Instead of the full reward regardless of outcome with a small bonus for landing.

Final perk points awarded for a sortie should follow this pattern, the actual values could be changed but the general idea is right:

Muliplied by:

1.25 - Landed
0.75 - Ditched
0.5   - Bailed successfully
0.4   - Captured
0.25 - Death

I agree completly.

If you reward stupid behavior then you will see it blosom.

[Rutilant]

It's always funny to hear people reply to a perk thread with "take the chittiest plane and.." That's gaming the game, encouraging it is BS.

[Shiva]

Originally posted by AVRO1
If you reward stupid behavior then you will see it blosom.

If the objective is killing the facilities on the base, and they don't care about your perk points for the run, then they're going to dive in and suicide regardless.

[AVRO1]

Originally posted by Shiva
If the objective is killing the facilities on the base, and they don't care about your perk points for the run, then they're going to dive in and suicide regardless.

I never said they would not.

But I also never said I like base capture as the main objective.

I would much rather have objectives like in scenarios.

The Luftwaffe's objective in the BoB was the destruction of the RAF.
So Luftwaffe would score points for shooting down RAF planes and destroying the RAF's airfields.

If all you want is to fight other fighters then escort bombers.
Since the RAF's objective is to stop the bombing you know they will come. (Unless they are all handsomehunkes of course)
Now all you got to do is engage the intercepters.

It is way more realistic and it promotes good gameplay by rewarding good actions for your country.

I dont know why no one as done this yet.
Maybe it is way more comlicated to do then it looks.

In my view that would be much better then current MA play.
If the CT was setup this way I would fly there.

Sorry about the ranting

[LePaul]

I dont wanna sound elistist here but I have more repsect for the bomber guys who climb to alt and hit targets than the NOE guys whose sole goal is to get as many bombs on a target as fast as possible.  To me there's a difference between flying a bomber as a bomber...than using one as a big P-47 JABO strike.

As to perks, the Ar234 isnt all that, its hard to hit stuff with it due to its speed....and like any perk plane, is an instant magnet for any con in the sector.  It may as well be like yelling "free beer" in Shea Stadium  

I'd like to see the Ar234 unperked, or severely reduced.  Back when we had the EasySight, yea...it could be very dangerous.  4 of those and the base was shut down.  Now...not the case.

[WhiteHawk]

Originally posted by LePaul
I dont wanna sound elistist here but I have more repsect for the bomber guys who climb to alt and hit targets than the NOE guys whose sole goal is to get as many bombs on a target as fast as possible.  To me there's a difference between flying a bomber as a bomber...than using one as a big P-47 JABO strike.

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Agreeed..but the game rewards the quick NOE strikes as well as the suicide jabos.  There needs to be a way to regen the targets the planes destroy if they dont land safely.

[LePaul]

Originally posted by WhiteHawk
Agreeed..but the game rewards the quick NOE strikes as well as the suicide jabos.  There needs to be a way to regen the targets the planes destroy if they dont land safely.

I understand your frustration, but there is no way you can fairly do that.  The closest thing that's happened to improve the situation was requiring 1000ft (or more?) of alt for bombs to detonate.

Im not sure what kind of solution you could craft for this.  I find it tacky, and annoying as well.  Much like the CV dives by buffs.

[Shiva]

Originally posted by LePaul
The closest thing that's happened to improve the situation was requiring 1000ft (or more?) of alt for bombs to detonate.

Point of information. Bombs do not require 1000 feet of altitude to arm; they require 1000 feet of travel to arm. So a plane flying at 350 mph TAS 500' off the ground would be able to drop its bombs and have the bombs travel more than 1000' before impacting.

[scJazz]

Originally posted by Warchief
A new perk point system should be used with bombers. Today I flew my lancaster at low lvl. Took out 90% of city 2 gun enplacement along with a fh. Given I lost all 3 bombers on the raid and I understand my perk points were going to be low. Only got 1.52 for the raid. The reaons I think it needs re vamped is I flew a F4u Corsair attack run and hit fewer targets and got shot down and still had more perk points after words than I did on my bomber run. I am not saying lets make getting pewrk points easier for bombers. But that less perk points should be taken away for losing 1 or 2 bombers and landing the last one.  But then again perk points for bombers only go to the A234 which aint that great of a bomber. But still not asking for a whole new system but a little revamping to make it better and that way there would be more buff raids in the game.

You would have gotten 7.6 perks if you had managed to bring even 1 plane back to the field. I find it doubtful in the extreme that you hit less stuff with the Corsair since its' OBJ value is 10 and the Lancs is correct me if I'm wrong 25. Perhaps this is true but for every 1 thing you blow up in the Lanc you get 2.5 times as many perks for it. Given that last statement perhaps you should bone up on your aim since with 13+ times as much ord you should have flattened a great deal of stuff. As for increasing perks for bombers FORGET THE WHOLE IDEA. You can earn a whole lot of perks if you use the damn things the way they were intended instead of the ludicrous 1000' suicide bomber dweeb silly crap I've seen far to much. If you insist on flying a bomber in a way it wasn't supposed to be flown then I'm overjoyed that you are upset with earning a pathetic 1.52 perks. If on the other hand you want to take that Lanc up to 20,000' and level 2 different strategic targets you could earn 30+ perks land without a single death. Increase your Bomber score by ridiculous amounts. Tick off everyone in the target country instead of just the jerks flying at a single base. Cause several enemy fighters to be drug off the front lines to chase your strato butt around and in general mess up a lot of peoples days instead of just a few.

On the other hand you could stay down there on the deck, low and slow and cause me near orgasmic levels of joy when I see you down there in my crosshairs.



I'm not laughing with you I'm laughing at you.

[LePaul]

Originally posted by Shiva
Point of information. Bombs do not require 1000 feet of altitude to arm; they require 1000 feet of travel to arm. So a plane flying at 350 mph TAS 500' off the ground would be able to drop its bombs and have the bombs travel more than 1000' before impacting.

We're splitting hairs...but if you want to be perfectly correct, you are.