Author Topic: Better Perk Points For bombers (Read 923 times)

Warchief · « **on:** September 12, 2003, 12:14:50 AM »

A new perk point system should be used with bombers. Today I flew my lancaster at low lvl. Took out 90% of city 2 gun enplacement along with a fh. Given I lost all 3 bombers on the raid and I understand my perk points were going to be low. Only got 1.52 for the raid. The reaons I think it needs re vamped is I flew a F4u Corsair attack run and hit fewer targets and got shot down and still had more perk points after words than I did on my bomber run. I am not saying lets make getting pewrk points easier for bombers. But that less perk points should be taken away for losing 1 or 2 bombers and landing the last one. But then again perk points for bombers only go to the A234 which aint that great of a bomber. But still not asking for a whole new system but a little revamping to make it better and that way there would be more buff raids in the game.

Karnak · « **Reply #1 on:** September 12, 2003, 12:58:24 AM »

Fly the Ki-67.

Take the eight 100kg bombs.

Set salvo to 8 and delay to .40.

Pick a strat target (City (not town), or a factory complex)

Climb to 21,000ft.

Set manifold to 35lbs.

Open bomb bombay doors.

Line up on target.

Once the speed has settled, calibrate the bombsight (hold the target for at least 15 seconds).

Drop bombs.

Target gets the hell blown out of it.

Return to base and land.

RESULT: Bomber perk points. (Fighter kills are icing on the cake)

Doing this a Ki-67 formation will destroy almost as much of the strat target as a Lanc formation, but has a much higher OBJ rating. Better yet the Ki-67 is faster in speed and climb and has better defensive firepower.

Warchief · « **Reply #2 on:** September 12, 2003, 01:20:21 AM »

Yeah you could do that. But I am just saying equal out the perks alittle better than they are. Never flew the Ki-67. It sounds like a b-26. ANd I have doen that with B-26s and B-17s and you only get a handful of perk points. If you are going to lose perk points for the bombers that get shot down. Then you get better pointsa for the other bombers in you formation then.

Karnak · « **Reply #3 on:** September 12, 2003, 01:22:09 AM »

You don't lose perk points for bombers that get shot down, unless you are flying the Ar234.

(Ki-67 has a higher OBJ than any other land based bomber IIRC, and its faster too)

Warchief · « **Reply #4 on:** September 12, 2003, 01:23:55 AM »

Then the next time I am testing out aircraft for my squad I will take alook.

Innominate · « **Reply #5 on:** September 12, 2003, 02:42:40 AM »

Who cares?
The only perk bomber isnt all that good, and is prettymuch useless in a formation. What good are bomber perks?

Still, for good bomber perks, you gotta shoot down fighters. The perks from blowing up ground targets are mediocre in any bomber when compared to the perks from blasting fighters.

loser · « **Reply #6 on:** September 12, 2003, 09:01:27 AM »

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Originally posted by Innominate
Who cares?
The only perk bomber isnt all that good, and is prettymuch useless in a formation. What good are bomber perks?

Still, for good bomber perks, you gotta shoot down fighters. The perks from blowing up ground targets are mediocre in any bomber when compared to the perks from blasting fighters.

Yup, kinda silly do't you think?

muckmaw · « **Reply #7 on:** September 12, 2003, 09:22:15 AM »

If there was a way to transfer perks for Bombers, you could have mine.

I've got a few thousand, and I'll never use them on that AR234.

Just a waste of CPU in my opinion.

whels · « **Reply #8 on:** September 12, 2003, 09:53:04 AM »

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Originally posted by Innominate
Who cares?
The only perk bomber isnt all that good, and is prettymuch useless in a formation. What good are bomber perks?

Still, for good bomber perks, you gotta shoot down fighters. The perks from blowing up ground targets are mediocre in any bomber when compared to the perks from blasting fighters.

the ENY/OBJ for buffs are wrong. they give too many perks for shootin fighters, and not enough for bombing things.

ENY on Buffs should 1 to 10(depending on Defences of the bomber), and OBJ like 40 to 100( small loads high OBJ, large loads smaller OBJ).

as it is right now Bombers get more perks for killin fighters (which wasnt thier duty), then killin ground stuff(was thier duty).
Fighters get barely 1 perk for 3 buffs sometimes. Fighters job was to kill enemy fighters and intercept buffs, and right now they get
shafted in perks for it.

The 262 should be the only fighter to get even perks or less then
1 perk per buff kill.

examples of ENY/OBJs
ENY OBJ
B17 : 3(lots of defence guns) 75( semi large load)
Lanc: 5(lots of guns but no belly) 50 (large bomb load)
B26: 4(good defences) 80(relitively small load)
Ju88: 7(poor defence) 100(small load)
A20: 9(poor defence) 100(ssmall)
Bos: 10(no defence) 100(small)
Ki67: 6(good defence) 90(small)

whels

Zanth · « **Reply #9 on:** September 12, 2003, 10:11:43 AM »

If you want more useless bomber perks I cant think of a better plane to do it than the A20-G. Hell, I had several sorties yesterday over 12 and 15 perks in one run (no rearm). 8x500 enough to kill a town and there is no better "bomber" to shoot down fighters and blow up trucks with.

(Reminds me of the old AW a26 a lot)

Easyscor · « **Reply #10 on:** September 12, 2003, 10:55:51 AM »

I don't know why you'd want bomber perk points but you can easily get 20-30 per sortie. 1) Stop milk running. 2) Find a couple of 100% up strat target deep behind enemy lines. 3) Up in B-17s and go blow em both up. 4) Don't miss. That'll get you at least 20-25 perk points. 5) Down a couple of fighters on the return trip for another 3 perk points.

Karnak · « **Reply #11 on:** September 12, 2003, 01:18:39 PM »

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Originally posted by whels
examples of ENY/OBJs
ENY OBJ
B17 : 3(lots of defence guns) 75( semi large load)
Lanc: 5(lots of guns but no belly) 50 (large bomb load)
B26: 4(good defences) 80(relitively small load)
Ju88: 7(poor defence) 100(small load)
A20: 9(poor defence) 100(ssmall)
Bos: 10(no defence) 100(small)
Ki67: 6(good defence) 90(small)

You haven't looked at the Ju88's bombload lately, have you?

It seems you also haven't looked at the Lanc's defensive guns lately.

The Ju88s bombload is bigger than the B-17s.

The Ki-67 is MUCH better defended than the Lanc.

Revised:

B17 : 3(lots of defense guns) 75(semi large load)
Lanc: 7(poor defenses) 50 (large bomb load)
B26: 4(good defenses) 80(relatively small load)
Ju88: 8(poor defense) 75(semi large load)
A20: 8(poor defense) 85(relatively small load)
Bos: 10(poor defense) 100(small)
Ki67: 5(good defense) 90(small)

whels · « **Reply #12 on:** September 12, 2003, 03:26:45 PM »

You haven't looked at the Ju88's bombload lately, have you?

yes, it has 4 1.1ks and 20 110lbders = about 6k bombload, near = to b17.

It seems you also haven't looked at the Lanc's defensive guns lately.

LAnc has poor defences unless u attack from straight 6 or above, u attack from bottom, its defenceless.

The Ju88s bombload is bigger than the B-17s.

no they near = in lbs

The Ki-67 is MUCH better defended than the Lanc.

yep ki67 is better defended cause of the 20mm but still vulnarble belly.
was miss typed by me.

Revised:

B17 : 3(lots of defense guns) 75(semi large load)
Lanc: 7(poor defenses) 50 (large bomb load)
B26: 4(good defenses) 80(relatively small load)
Ju88: 8(poor defense) 75(semi large load)
A20: 8(poor defense) 85(relatively small load)
Bos: 10(poor defense) 100(small)
Ki67: 5(good defense) 90(small) [/QUOTE]

WhiteHawk · « **Reply #13 on:** September 14, 2003, 09:00:19 PM »

Well..perk points should be piled into one basket, to be used on any plane or vehicle of choice. I can bomb with an arado, but who the hell wants to spend 30 minutes to maybe hit one fuel bunker? Perk points should be earned like money, to be spent on anything the player wants.

Warchief · « **Reply #14 on:** September 15, 2003, 02:07:56 AM »

I fully agree that perk points should be used for anything you want. But also perk points needs a revamping when it comes to transports and resupply missions. I got more perk points taking a field than I did on 3 gv supply runs and 2 airfield supply drops. You get no perks for gv supply drops and max 4.9 on airfield drops.