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Offline Saintaw

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« Reply #15 on: August 14, 2000, 04:19:00 AM »
GreyB, I think Hardware doesn't have that much to do..example :

I run AH in 1600/1200 (avg 35FPS) and have a Hotas (Fighterstick & pedals....still gotta get that Throttle). Ram is prolly in 800/600 with 15FPS and will Kill me whenever I meet him...

Let's speak about Torque, who also runs on 800/600... I could only get him while he was flying a goon   (Sorry 'boiut that one, sir   )

Some poeple realy have the knack of getting out of my firing envelope (Wardog, Spatula, Funked, etc...) I can't seem to evade a 30mm shell fired at me at D10   !

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« Reply #16 on: August 14, 2000, 06:00:00 AM »
 
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I run AH in 1600/1200 (avg 35FPS) and have a Hotas (Fighterstick & pedals....still gotta get that Throttle). Ram is prolly in 800/600 with 15FPS and will Kill me whenever I meet him...


In fact I run at 1024*768, 16 bit colour. I average 15FPS as at high altitudes I get something near 20-25 while at low altitudes 11-13FPS   and over fields 9-10    

I tried running at 800/600. The difference was minimal (maybe 1-2FPS at medium-high altitudes, no difference at all at low altitudes)...

And BTW I dont think I'd kill you that easy..."Laser" RAM was a myth,and you know it  

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« Reply #17 on: August 14, 2000, 09:16:00 AM »
I think mandoble got it perfectly, its a chess game.  I have average ACM skills, but do pretty good because I pick and choose my fights, I always have an exit route in my head before I start the attack.  I usually am thinking 2 or 3 moves ahead and what my actions will be.  I know quite a few guys with AWESOME stick skills that can eat my lunch daily, Udie being one of um,  but dont choose to fight the way I do.  Does that make one better then the other?  Dunno really, just glad Udie is a squaddie. btw I fly under the Skyhawk handle.

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« Reply #18 on: August 14, 2000, 09:25:00 AM »
 
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As if the fact that the plane is rolling in place will lessen the chance of rounds hitting that are other wise on target.

This sort of rings a bell. Wasn't there something like this in that other brand? Or at least a discussion of this exact situation?

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« Reply #19 on: August 14, 2000, 05:11:00 PM »
 
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This sort of rings a bell. Wasn't there something like this in that other brand? Or at least a discussion of this exact situation?



Well, it was said that flying on only one axis at a time in combat is a sure way to die...that kicks in alot for me  

Nice cross wind being an example (well the only thing closer to combat I've gotten was when I engaged a bunch of sea gulls, had to explain to the owner that only one bird strike was a miracle because there were millions of them. Flew back missing the wind screen.   )

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My first cross wind landing sucked, to say the least. There outta be a law against letting former military pilots tech private pilot lessons. Yeash.

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« Reply #20 on: August 14, 2000, 08:29:00 PM »
 
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There are pilots here that at a point in a combat stop trying to defeat the other pilot and work on defeating the gunfire algorithms. They are successfull at it.

By this I take it you mean the guy stops flying the plane for an angles advantage at the moment he's aware he's a target, flys to fox the shot, then resumes flying for angles after the immenent danger of being shredded passes??

Damn.. novel concept!

 


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« Reply #21 on: August 14, 2000, 08:32:00 PM »
 
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By this I take it you mean the guy stops flying the plane for an angles advantage at the moment he's aware he's a target, flys to fox the shot, then resumes flying for angles after the immenent danger of being shredded passes??

Damn.. novel concept!

 


Yes. but its the trying to fox the shot not by getting out of the firing cone of the enemy but instead controting the aircraft in some way that the rounds have a diminished chance to hit.

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« Reply #22 on: August 14, 2000, 08:44:00 PM »
Agree with Hang..

hb is a damn good stick when caught low. Most memorable fight was against him with me in a Yak and him in his 109. I had him daed bang 3x, the last siccors put him across my whole screen at under 100yrds. My whole screen was full of that little 109,and i missed, LOL...

Cant believe i missed,i got on the radio and said, Damn HB,my monitor was full of your 109 &..... And i missed   Not once,but 3 times,i was close enough to see him wearing his mothers Combat Boots.......And i missed!

HB is allways a pleasure to fight.

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« Reply #23 on: August 14, 2000, 11:17:00 PM »
Pongo,

I think you are saying there must be some way of "gaming the game" by certain ways of rolling, etc?

Is this what you are getting at?
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« Reply #24 on: August 15, 2000, 03:01:00 AM »
 
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Pongo,

I think you are saying there must be some way of "gaming the game" by certain ways of rolling, etc?

Is this what you are getting at?

Thats what it feels like, but it may be realisic? Certain pilots do it very reqularly.

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« Reply #25 on: August 16, 2000, 02:35:00 PM »
I had a long discussion on private channel and on private rw last night with a pilot that we will call...
N
N does what I am talking about here. But he couldnt understand what I was talking about when I talked to him. He kept focusing on his overshoot teqnique which is only part of the equation. I asked him how did he survive to force the over shoot when I had a perfectly good shot at him?
This was a very friendly and informative discussion with a fellow FW pilot. We met later by chance in the TA and had lots of chances to see hit avoidance in action.
I learned that the moves that N used to signifigantly lessen his chances of getting hit were almost purly reflex. I would make a run on him and watch it develop into a solution that was going to hurt bad. I could start to expect what he was going to do and when. In discussion it seemed that he could not identify it. He was behaving instictivly to the oncoming attack, Even after me keeping above him for 20-25 minutes and making probably 8 runs on him as he stalled out to reach me, he still performed the action the same way every time, and still did not know for sure what I meant.
I would say that in the abscence of that move I would have killed him 6 times.(I bounced him while he was dispatching another plane)  I knew that I could not fly with him. Even though he was in an A8 and I was in an A5. I knew that if I tried to mix it up I was dead.
(This skill is meaningless by itself. In combination with all the things that make a good pilot it is deadly)
Finally I had learned a few things, we where both out of wep and I did what I would typically do, push the envelope to try for a real hard hit. I took an increadably hard hit at him, did next to nothing, we moved into the very high sided scissors that the fw does so well. It took him about 5 tries to get behind me which I thought was pretty good for me.
The first shot he got on me was all he neaded.

Now I will admit that N is a better flyer then I. I am certainly as good a shot as him, My SA is just as good(at least at less then knife fight range, I kept him ropadoped for 30 min.
But the result was almost preordained. I could not hit him no matter the quality of my run.

N did not cheat, but I would estimate that he managed to nullify 85-95 % of the cannon rounds that would have hit him.
For a pilot like me that is not spectacular at ACM, who relies on gaining position, maintaining E and administering a heavy fight ending hit, N is a nightmare.

I learned a few things as well.
N uses a rudder stick combo, I think this kind of controler might have instinctive advantages for this kind of evasion.
Ns teqnique is definatly more effective vs players that hold their fire till a killing range is achieved, he has to nullify fewer rounds, he does not lose E for as long do to his fluctuations and the enemy is liky to be in a more exposed position after overshoot. Someone that starts shooting at 1k is probably way more dangorous to N.
Of course weapons that allow long shots like .50 cal and hispano are more dangorous to him.

N a big salute
If I misrepresented anything in our joint experiace last night correct me or if you like email me and I will post your point of view on it.

I think that this is not very realistic, I will state again that a cone of fire passing through the airspace occupied by an aircraft does not give a crap about the small fluctuations of the target aircraft.  It is a side effect of the way the game is or has to be implemented over such diverse locals with so many client computers I guess.
But I think that teqnique is what has replaced eyesight as the thing that really makes some of the pilots more individually deadly then most.


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« Reply #26 on: August 16, 2000, 03:00:00 PM »
I would still like to see a film from your POV, that would help me judge if its realistic or not.


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