Author Topic: Help Me Love Bill Clinton... (Read 1190 times)

midnight Target · « **Reply #15 on:** September 12, 2003, 03:12:58 PM »

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Originally posted by Gadfly
I think if you check the legal test for perjury, Clinton is quilty, and Bush is not.

We had that legal test... He was not guilty.

Charon · « **Reply #16 on:** September 12, 2003, 03:14:14 PM »

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I could have respected that. Instead he lied, and it made him look like an ass.

Agree. And, as a more libertarian person he did a lot of things in his version of the war on drugs that erroded our personal liberties that i strongly disagree with. I think he was average at best, and his most redeeming quality was that he didn't screw things up too badly during his two terms -- which is an accomplishement of sorts.

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I really REALLY REALLY do not like his wife though

I actually think she would have been a better president, but then I respect strong, intelligent and opinionated women

Clinton was the boogey man for the right, to make sure the voters were angry engough to go to the polls. They painted him as the antichrist and they preached it to the choir. I mean, it's not like they could really criticize his neutral/bland domestic or foreign policy all that much. If only the Democrats has that type of solidarity. BTW, Muck, do you honestly see rabid clinton supporters, or people who just dare to counter the claims of rabid Clinton haters, who as often as not are ranting about the latest urban legend that is discredited on Snopes?

It's all a wrestling match anyway. If you can't sell your candidate and discredit the opponent in 10 seconds or less you're not doing your job. It's all the easier when you can say "he rapes babies" and most of your support base automatically says, "I KNEW IT!"

Charon

Sixpence · « **Reply #17 on:** September 12, 2003, 03:16:00 PM »

How about the Family Medical Leave Act?

Curval · « **Reply #18 on:** September 12, 2003, 03:19:45 PM »

Understood Gto...

I'm just a bit ticked off because I supported Bush 100% and was very vocal about it. Now I look pretty silly to all my friends that I argued with about it. They all think I am just a Bush stooge now.

Charon · « **Reply #19 on:** September 12, 2003, 03:23:25 PM »

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How about the Family Medical Leave Act?

FMLA was a good accomplishment IMO, but a rather pale shadow of the sweeping healthcare and social agenda he was pushing at the start of his first term, before he did a total collaspe in the face of opposition. The one thing I admire about the current administration is that it doesn't take "no" for an answer. Take the war in Iraq -- Bush has pushed ahead quickly and forcefully. You can debate the wisdom, motivations and even the ethics, but not the determination.

Charon

On a side note, I'm also a bit pissed about how easy it was to have mega mergers during Clinton's terms, but that's more an FTC issue and they are supposed to be, at least somewhat, politically neutral.

john9001 · « **Reply #20 on:** September 12, 2003, 03:24:23 PM »

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Originally posted by midnight Target
We had that legal test... He was not guilty.

"I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Ms. lewinski".

call it what you want , he lied under oath to a grand jury. he was not in front of a grand jury because of lewinsky, he was there to answer a charge of sexual assault against another woman.

Eagler · « **Reply #21 on:** September 12, 2003, 03:25:10 PM »

he improved China and North Korea weapons programs

he informed all women of the world that head was not sex - not even if the big head attached to the little head was married - your daughters included

he showed us that any ahole who ruled by latest polls can be a 2 term POTUS

midnight Target · « **Reply #22 on:** September 12, 2003, 03:29:48 PM »

Dangit Charon... you keep saying what I'm saying only better.

Stalker!!

mietla · « **Reply #23 on:** September 12, 2003, 03:40:02 PM »

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Originally posted by midnight Target
We had that legal test... He was not guilty.

Technically you are right.

It was a jury nullification, just like O.J. Does not matter what you think about the jury and their motives, the verdict stands and he is officially "not guilty", but...

All the "not guilty" verdict does is spares you the punishment for your offense. It does not obligate anyone to shake your hand.

GtoRA2 · « **Reply #24 on:** September 12, 2003, 03:41:44 PM »

Curv
Do you think well hidden weapons would have been found yet? Think about how vast the country is and how long sodom had to hide them.

I do no think the Pres has been given enough time to find them frankly.

I think Bush gets far more flack then Clinton did, but I could but that's just based on my memory.

mietla · « **Reply #25 on:** September 12, 2003, 03:43:36 PM »

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Originally posted by mietla
Does not matter what you think about the jury and their motives, the verdict stands and he is officially "not guilty.

Unless you are an LA cop of course, then we do 2 out of 3...

Gadfly · « **Reply #26 on:** September 12, 2003, 03:47:53 PM »

Um, he is not a practicing lawyer for more reasons than his high price. Perjury was proven, my friend.

Charon · « **Reply #27 on:** September 12, 2003, 04:37:02 PM »

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Dangit Charon... you keep saying what I'm saying only better.

Stalker!!

LOL. I'm just another radical centrist.

Charon

Curval · « **Reply #28 on:** September 12, 2003, 04:38:32 PM »

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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Curv
Do you think well hidden weapons would have been found yet? Think about how vast the country is and how long sodom had to hide them.

I do no think the Pres has been given enough time to find them frankly.

I think Bush gets far more flack then Clinton did, but I could but that's just based on my memory.

I hope they find them. I really do. I just remember the certainty that they existed just prior to the war....the impression given at that time was that the US would find chemical shells in stockpiles ready for immediate use. They weren't there...that genuinely surprised me.

But not being able to find them by now kinda amazes me.

If intelligence broke down on this one I fear for the United States.

I think it is more likely that the truth was stretched.

Now having said that...where is Bin Laden and why is he still breathing? I figured he was at least buried in some cave somewhere, now even the US is admitting he is still cave dwelling somewhere in that hell hole over there.

SlapShot · « **Reply #29 on:** September 12, 2003, 04:39:36 PM »

"Then again, I can also hear, "I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Ms. lewinski".

Or how about when he was first campaining and all nominees were being asked the question ... Did you smoke pot ?

His answer ...

"I tired it .... BUT I DID NOT INHALE" .. what a crock of watermelon !!!

You CAN'T try pot without INHALING !!! He lost me on that one big time.

"I tried it" ... that covers those of us who did smoke pot back in those days. Wow this guy is cool ... he tried pot .. I think I'll vote for him.

"BUT I DIDN'T INHALE" ... that covers those who are opposed to drugs back then and now. Wow ... he started to smoke the joint but thought better of it and didn't inhale the vile smoke ... I think I'll vote for him cause he makes good decisions.

From that one statement, he wouldn't have gotten my vote even if he paid me for it.

The best was ... I didn't have sex with her ... she had sex with me. People actually believed that statement and back him up on it, and still do. If I tried to run that one by my wife ... I would be living on the streets right now.

He is nothing but a bag of lies and way too many people are mezmorized by his "slick" talk.

He should have been born in the gold rush days ... he would have made more money as a snake oil salesmen than half of the people who actually struck gold.