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Offline ygsmilo

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« on: September 12, 2003, 01:38:44 PM »
A take off of the of the Tommy Chong thread,

I would like opinions please no mud slinging or name calling.  It has been a good ongoing argument for my group of friends.

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« Reply #1 on: September 12, 2003, 01:39:50 PM »
I don't think the government has any business telling me what I can or can't put into my body, or what plants I can grow in my backyard, etc.

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« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2003, 01:42:55 PM »
i dunno

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« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2003, 01:44:26 PM »
Drugs are already legal in the US, it ain't called a drug store because they only sell PEZ... and the booze, glorious booze.
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« Reply #4 on: September 12, 2003, 01:45:25 PM »
The Government creates more crime with the War on Drugs than it stops (see Prohibition, 1920's). I don't think we should make Cocaine or Heroin legal, but Marijuana is a different subject. Watch the film "Grass".
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« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2003, 01:49:29 PM »
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The Government creates more crime with the War on Drugs than it stops. I don't think we should make Cocaine or Heroin legal,

..Why not?

but Marijuana is a different subject. Watch the film "Grass".


why?

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« Reply #6 on: September 12, 2003, 01:50:10 PM »
ref. movie "reefer madness"....makes you wonder who is crazy, the people who smoke, or the people who make it a crime.

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« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2003, 02:16:33 PM »
actually they should legalize it all.  pots easy not nearly as bad as either cigaretts or alcohol.

the other, while presenting major health risks (among other problems), are a self solving problem.  if they were legal they would be cheap and plentiful, if they were cheap and plentiful, then the users could get much more with much less effort.  so they OD much sooner.

I can't remember the exact % but something in the area of 90% of those charged of a drug crime are likely to re-offend.  with enforcement, trial, treatment, incarceration, supervised probation,....  all costing 10's of thousands per offender.

however with the OD it costs about $300 bucks for the crematorium. and guess what, 0% repeat offenders.

we could tax the hell out of it and it would still be about a 10th the price it is now.

this would help in a few ways.  

first you could use some of this tax money to ensure counseling and treatment are available for those who decide for themselves they really want to quit (really the only ones who it will work on,  those who are forced into treatment rarely stay drug free).

second is just basic economics.  right now your average crank junkie has to steal 3 or 4 car stereos a day just to keep his habit up.  however, since a few dollars worth of chemicals can make what sells now for several thousand dollars.  he could get a weeks worth for just one or 2 stereos, this is a huge drop in the crime rates, and doesn't even include the drop directly from legalization{if you have less things that are a crime you naturaly have less crime being comited},  also since he's not likely to save it for a weeks worth but more likely will do it all right away, he is much more likely to OD sooner (see above figures on repeat offender)

the other thing is these people who do drugs, (since they wouldn't have to hide it anymore) would be publicly more visable, they would be excellent examples to kids.  without our safety net restricting supply, of those who do drugs,  the % who die from it will go up.  nobody else can be seen to blame but the drugs or the user, a very clean clear msg. much better than the gov't efforts to get kids to choose to say no.  things like the movie reefer madness, or the dare program.  the d.a.r.e. program may work on dumber kids but smarter kids are able to figure out that most of the examples of lives that are ruined by drugs are more acurately ruined buy drug law.

of course there are also the recreational users who keep their usage under control, don't do it at work, and basicly handle drug use just like a social drinker handles alcohol (as aposed to the type of user discribed above who handle drugs like an alcoholic handles alcohol).   so far the only real reason given for getting involved is that it's illegal (not really a relivant argument in a "should it be legal" argument), or that it enables the adicts to use (kind of a lame argument when you figure that the only real effect I can see them having is tipping the ballance of suply and demand making the drugs more expensive for the addict)

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« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2003, 02:23:52 PM »
What would "legalizing it" entail?  Would you be able to buy crack or LSD at the corner 7-11?  What kind of restrictions would stay in place?  What ages, what drugs, etc?  I've never been able to join these drug legalization debates because no one proposes specific changes to existing laws, they just say "legalize it and tax it, problem solved"!  That sounds nice, but give us some details.

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« Reply #9 on: September 12, 2003, 02:34:35 PM »
Treat it like all the other legal drugs.

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« Reply #10 on: September 12, 2003, 02:42:07 PM »
Funnily enough, while in college this topic came up often (note sarcasm).

It was interesting to note that of my friends that smoked pot, the ones in favor of legalization were casual smokers - maybe at a party or some other social event once every week or two.

The ones against pot legalization where the ones that smoked daily.  

Thier reason?  "Look at me."

The argument that Marijuana isnt as bad as Heroin is kind of like 'Saddam isnt as bad as Bin Laden.'  Neither are very good.

Ive seen people ruined over drugs of every type, and yes, marijuana usage usually leads to the use of more addicting and damage causing drugs - no statistics or polls - just what I witnessed growing up.

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« Reply #11 on: September 12, 2003, 02:42:41 PM »
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What would "legalizing it" entail? Would you be able to buy crack or LSD at the corner 7-11? What kind of restrictions would stay in place? What ages, what drugs, etc? I've never been able to join these drug legalization debates because no one proposes specific changes to existing laws, they just say "legalize it and tax it, problem solved"! That sounds nice, but give us some details.


Good question. I would say marijuana could be legalized and sold in a "state" store just like alcohol is in some parts down South, or even a liquor store. Driving under the influence, sales to minors etc could be just as hard as you have for alcohol today. I know it was harder when I was in HS to get booze than it was pot.

As in parts of Europe, hard drugs could be decriminalized for possession, with clinic style shooting and smoking rooms (heroin and crack) where an abuser's health could be monitored and the abuser gradually weaned from the habit or moved into as productive a management strategy as possible. Perhaps a prescription with treatment monitoring system could be set in place for those who are not social users. I know this reeks of a big social program, but if you look at the costs associated with incarcerating both users and suppliers, I bet the expenditure would be less. Doesn't it cost about $30,000 to keep an inmate in prison for a year?


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« Reply #12 on: September 12, 2003, 02:46:02 PM »
sure why not...it'll be3 the only way our bc residents can make a living thanks to your lumber tarrifs (wich your now whining about because its to dam expensive to get lumber)

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« Reply #13 on: September 12, 2003, 02:47:09 PM »
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Ive seen people ruined over drugs of every type, and yes, marijuana usage usually leads to the use of more addicting and damage causing drugs - no statistics or polls - just what I witnessed growing up.


And I bet in every case they started with alcohol. So why shouldn't that be criminalized. BTW, I've seen a friend's life ruined by Cocaine, two friend have died from alcohol (one by car accident and one by alcoholism) and two more have their lives ruined. [In fact, I've seen two anti pot people move from alcohol to cocaine because they were drunk at the time and had lower inhabitions and cocaine seemed cooler and hipper.] However, I haven't seen that with pot. And that includes two doctors, a lawyer and a handful of agressive salespeople who have a few hits on the weekend.

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The argument that Marijuana isnt as bad as Heroin is kind of like 'Saddam isnt as bad as Bin Laden.' Neither are very good.


You left out Stalin (tobacco) and Hitler (alcohol). FWIW I would rate pot no worse than George Bush or Hillary Clinton :)

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« Reply #14 on: September 12, 2003, 03:08:32 PM »
NO!
 People can't handle that kind of freedom!!!
But argue unitl your all blue in the face.... Its not going to happen!!!

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