Author Topic: Sweden votes no in Euro vote.... (Read 767 times)

Maniac · « **on:** September 15, 2003, 02:39:44 AM »

56% voted no.

Nilsen · « **Reply #1 on:** September 15, 2003, 04:11:21 AM »

Congrats on a good choise Maniac

Fishu · « **Reply #2 on:** September 15, 2003, 04:40:01 AM »

I'd say it was a bad choice... of course for norwegians it doesnt matter since they're not part of EU

Eventually swedes needs to join the euro

mora · « **Reply #3 on:** September 15, 2003, 05:00:14 AM »

I dont see what's the big deal in euro. The EU is a bigger deal and I would have voted no if I had a chance.

Dowding · « **Reply #4 on:** September 15, 2003, 05:03:22 AM »

I want to see reform from top to bottom in the EU's structure before I'll back a single currency and further integration. I want to see some alternative to the ludicrous CAP situation too. It's all too much of a gravy train at the moment and that is damaging the concept of a strong, united Europe.

WTG Swedes.

Maniac · « **Reply #5 on:** September 15, 2003, 05:22:50 AM »

Change is good....

beet1e · « **Reply #6 on:** September 15, 2003, 05:36:26 AM »

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Originally posted by mora
I dont see what's the big deal in euro. The EU is a bigger deal and I would have voted no if I had a chance.

Loss of control of domestic interest rates = BAD.

Dowding · « **Reply #7 on:** September 15, 2003, 05:39:41 AM »

When the time comes I will vote 'no' in protest at the current administration of the EU. I don't care for the pound, and will gladly see it go if the circumstances are right, but I don't want to be irrevocably tied to an institution as undemocratic as the European Commission. The Commission needs reform ASAP if the EU is to be viable.

fffreeze220 · « **Reply #8 on:** September 15, 2003, 06:20:35 AM »

Theyll see what the get in 10 Years. To sad for them

mora · « **Reply #9 on:** September 15, 2003, 06:24:12 AM »

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Originally posted by beet1e
Loss of control of domestic interest rates = BAD.

Sure, that's the easiest way to adapt to changing economical situtations. But there are other ways too and they are easier to implement in small countries if necessary.

Can't really argue with Dowdings good points...But surely it would have been good for us if Sweden would have joined.

beet1e · « **Reply #10 on:** September 15, 2003, 06:48:08 AM »

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Originally posted by mora
Sure, that's the easiest way to adapt to changing economical situtations. But there are other ways too and they are easier to implement in small countries if necessary.

Can't really argue with Dowdings good points...But surely it would have been good for us if Sweden would have joined.

But how can we pretend that all 15 EU countries have economies that are the same, or that €urope is one big happy economy? That clearly is not the case. It works in America because they have Federal government, with federal taxes and grants. We don't have that in Europe. Perhaps the Euro was introduced to precipitate an economic crisis in the long term, whose only solution will be a federal Europe!

I shall be very surprised if €urope does not have some federal government 10 years from now.

Duedel · « **Reply #11 on:** September 15, 2003, 07:01:27 AM »

No big deal. If they dont want they dont want. Doesnt matter at all.

Nilsen · « **Reply #12 on:** September 15, 2003, 07:30:09 AM »

I would not be suprised at all beet1e... All the more reason for norway to stay out of EU.

cpxxx · « **Reply #13 on:** September 15, 2003, 08:21:17 AM »

As Duedal says no big deal. It's their problem. The same goes for Britain, Denmark etc. It's their problem and no big deal for the rest of us in the Euro.
What amuses me about the whole Euro debate, particularly in Britain is the dire warnings about what would happen if they join. Meanwhile in the Eurozone everybody is just getting on with it, the economy hasn't collapsed, no one has lost their national identity. Such much for the disadvantages of joining the Euro.

Sweden and the UK have little in common, Sweden is a high tax, high cost, welfare state while Britain is a low tax welfare state.
What Sweden and the UK do have in common is an attitude that they are better than the rest of Europe in everything they do. So no Euro. What they also have in common is the fantasy that their own government and bank controls their currencies and interest rates. The fact is that there are now two main currencies in the world. The Dollar and the Euro.

Both will join the Euro in due course, probably after damage has been done to the economies.

Dowding · « **Reply #14 on:** September 15, 2003, 08:45:51 AM »

It's not about 'superiority'. It's about a piss-poor-overly-bureaucratic-federal-state-wannabe. You want in on that? As you say, that's your problem. Show me some willingness to reform and progress and I'll come along. Until that day, it is a talking shop where the Germans and French can pretend they are global players, on a par with Russia and the US, and the smaller countries can pretend they actually have some clout in the world (for the first time).

The EU could be a great thing and further integration could be a positive step. Right now it is a gravy train - and I'll stay on the platform, thanks.

I generally hate Maggie Thatcher and all she stood for - but when it comes to Europe, she knew how to handle 'em.