Flight model - responsiveness

[Merlin]

Well I'll be damned, the tide is begining to turn! I thought I was one of the only guys who were calling bull on the FM (with the exception of Hobo) of 2.73.

In fact, tonight I am totally rebuilding my rudders including a new pot to see if it's my controllers that are making the 2.73 experience such a dismal one.

I think there is some room to adjust down from the super-fast reactions the Warbird FM has now but this rev went waaaayyy to far and has ruined the fun for me.

Humm, will be interesting to watch developments...and I'm very much ready to move into open beta with Aces High.

Merlin

[funked]

Well FWIW I don't have a problem flying the WB 2.73 aircraft.  But that's not to say I think it's better than the old version.  The old versions did a pretty darn good job with stick forces IMHO.  Just look at the roll response differences between a P-38J and a P-38L for an example.

[fatdog]

i asked the question in another forum but got no answer,in wb if you fly on easy the fm is nice but slugish in easy off mode the spin factor unrealistic ww2 fighters didn't spin out just because you give full pitch roll or yaw motion... In a p-51 was full of fuel the center of gravity was bad and a quick roll would cause a spin but after the center tank was lowered to 1/2 the center of gravity would become better to the piont that roll spin was not a problem... I would like to know if this issue has been address to fly a plane that isn't sluggish you must take easy off and then spin outs make the game no fun to play!!!!!!!

[ra]

I've never flown a warbird, but I've flown a few aerobatic planes, most recently a Yak-52 primary trainer.  It is fully aerobatic, pilots were intended to transition to high-performance planes from the Yak-52.  One thing that really stands out is the responsiveness of the plane to even slight movements of the stick.  For the first 10 seconds or so I was flying along with the wings rocking back and forth, unintentionally.  I finally got the hang of it: think 'roll', and it rolls.  

That's also how I've heard the P-51 described.  

The new WB model is a joke, IMHO.   The alleged reason for setting up the roll inertia was to prevent micro-warps, but changing the FM to prevent micro-warps is dumb.  The place to prevent micro-warps is at the FE, where the other plane's roll rate can be dampened so as not to get the warp effect.
Of all the planes in WB I've flown since the new FM, the P-51 is the most adversely affected.

--ra--

[hitech]

How can we address an issue that isn't  our game. AH is not WB.

HiTech

[fatdog]

I am sorry ht I ment is the real flight spin outs going to be a prob in ah the reason i used wb for reference is because for the last 2 yrs in all the up grades to wb nothing was done about that and i was interested to know if when ya'll designed you sim if that was something that is in the real flight model of AH.....

[hitech]

All I can tell you is on the P51 I can sense no difference between Aces High's departures and the departures I experenced flying and fighting the real thing.

HiTech

[fatdog]

Great HiTech in the other game did you se a difference in the model and the real thing

[Hobo]

God I am SO glad to hear some sensible discussion on this issue.  I've been living in fear that AH would go the way of WB 2.73.  This one issue is what has completely turned the tide swiftly in the favor of AH.  

Hitech, Pyro, I'm damn glad to see that you intend to keep the AH FM as *real* as possible.  These planes are high performance planes (even by today's standards) and they shouldn't be dumbed down in any fashion to appeal to the "masses" or "fix" limitiations of the internet.

As many of you know, I have been very vocal about this on AGW.  I'm certain I've lost friends (virtual and othwerwise) over my passionate post today, but 3 days of hearing people say I was wrong, when my heart and mind knew I was at MINIMUM partially right, left me with a very short fuse.  Hotseat lit that fuse with his snide remarks and signing his message with all the Phd's and degree's that he's earned.  Desktop Engineering at it's worse IMO.

If it weren't for my squaddies and friends, I would cancel my WB account today.  But since my squaddies and friends are important to me, I will wait until we can all join in on the AH beta.  

BTW, since this forum is intended for AH, I think this subject should die a slow death.  

Hobo

[Inet]

i am sure they built an easymode in AH for you hobo.  

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[-Ireg-]

Ah Hobo, so you have no Mac guys in your squad?

Bye bye then, when you get the "real" simulation...

Inet, you are spending much too much time on boards. Hope we see us again this evening flying WB2.7r4. Some people here shout without knowing what they are shouting about, lol  

  -Ireg-  III./JG3 "Udet"

[wizzer]

Damn, this Hobo guy is everywhere! Wonder if he has a job?  

wizzer

[Hobo]

What's a job?  

Inet...Oh never mind, you're not worth it.

Ireg...When did I say ANYTHING about Macs?  Sounds like you're blaming me for HTC's business decision.  Have you got a case of PC envy?


Hobo

[Fester']

There were several references to "PC Test Pilot" in this thread.  What is it? Where can I see it?

Thanks

Fester

[Hobo]

I believe you will find it at www.pctestpilot.com.  


Hobo