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Offline osage

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« Reply #45 on: September 20, 2003, 06:38:20 PM »
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"Borsch" is a hard word to spell in Latin letters :) In Cyrillic it's "áîðù". In fact it's a Ukrainian soup. Katsaps (Russians) can't cook real borsch. My Mother is Ukrainian, so I know that almost any "borsch" cooked by katsaps is only a fake :D They are limited to a cabbige soup they call "schi" (ùè).


I live in a Ukrainian neighborhood in NYC.  At Vecelka, a legendary local eatery, they call it "borscht".  In the summer it is pink and cold and delicate (with sour cream and dill).  In the winter it is red and hot and hearty with thin slices of pork.  Both versions have potatoes.  

I like bigos "hunter's stew" with mashed potatoes from there when it get really cold.

Ukrainians rock.  I knew you weren't "Russian" Boroda.

Come to NYC.  I buy you a borscht, tovarisch.  And some Ukrainian wodka.
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« Reply #46 on: September 21, 2003, 02:03:19 PM »
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So like...how long does it "keep"?  Raw pork fat?  Just how many people in Russia die of food poisoning annually eating this?  ;)  

I don't doubt that it's good though.. but you could never tell me what I am eating before I do over there.


LOL Curval.  Well I am going to try and find something around here so that I can get used to the food before I go there.  I don't want to end up eating at a Mc d's.  As long as I can drink Vodka, stay out of trouble I will be ok over there.

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« Reply #47 on: September 21, 2003, 04:34:11 PM »
In Estonia the pancake is a thing clled a pankook.  I think I spelled that correct.  It is what Americans call a crepe.  Came with ice cream or jelly.  Quite good.  

It is the same thing as a Russian pancake?

Also I drank most of my vodka mixed with a Red Bull.
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« Reply #48 on: September 22, 2003, 04:34:52 AM »
Bodhi: "I travelled to Russia in 98 and thouroughly enjoyed the country, the people, and the environment. WHile most did not have every convienience I experience in the West, they made do with what they had, and were quite happy too boot."


Gee I don't know which part of Russia you traveled in, Moscow?

The parts I've seen were in an amazing state of decay and the people fought for survival. Happy they were not. In St.Petersburg for example 90% of the people on the streets were drunk and drinking openly in public. This was around 1999. Roads were in such a bad condition even in the city that the car we used was caught from it's bottom several times and ended up having wheel damage as a result of a huge hole in the asphalt. I have a couple of friends with girlfriends / wives originating from russia and based on the stuff I've heard from them and their families who we visited (witnessed first hand), it's no song and dance. While we were visiting the city, the St.Petersburg news had an article about a residential area next to a park. The park had radioactive waste buried in it for years and was only discovered after mysterious illnesses in the surrounding buildings.

Crime rate is exceptionally high and a western tourist must really look out while moving down there. The whole community is corrupt - you can't even trust the police. In fact, most of the tickets dealt benefit the policemans cash fund directly. Very illuminating is that during the timeperiod omon - the police force fighting organized crime - arrested, tied and laid down a whole nightclub in st.petersburg. After the customers were released the club was robbed empty. The chief of police gave 'no comment.'

For me going there was a big culture shock for which I wasn't prepared even though I heard many stories beforehand. All in all it left the impression of being very unsecure not least because of the corruption. I decided never to enter the country again and that decision has stuck so far..

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« Reply #49 on: September 22, 2003, 04:48:29 AM »
There are bad areas in most countries Siaf, looks like you had tough luck there.
Never been to Russia, but I'd like to go one day. I have been in Poland, and that was jolly good. That beautiful country is completely underrated.
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« Reply #50 on: September 22, 2003, 07:24:43 AM »
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I drink 100-150 gramms of vodka at every dinner, it's good for disgestion. And I stopped drinking beer 2 months ago. Good to see how you nation's traditional food makes you healthy.


About 60-80g/d should be the maximum for the average male. After that  you'll have to face the consequences: hepatitis-cirrhosis-carcinoma, amongst other diseases...  ;)

-edit- ... talking about pure alcohol  (in grams) of course...
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« Reply #51 on: September 22, 2003, 09:42:15 AM »
Don't knock Russia boys. When Russians pull their **** together, not even Americans can compete.

For instance, how about Antonov 28's, Mi-8's and a constant maximum 15 minute call? Oh, and jump tickets (including pack job) for $9? And if there's more than 15 minute waiting time, well, just haul in another An-28 or Mi-8. For coaching, how about the Russian 8-man RW team?

The US have some awesome dropzones, but you get nowhere near as much bang for the buck as in Russia. They just need a windtunnel or two and that'll pretty much mean European skydivers will become increasingly rare at Perris or Skydive Arizona.

All I am saying; don't knock Russia. It's become apparent to me that Russians are quite capable of competing with the US - as long as the Mafia is running things :).

The Russians might be slow on finding the capitalistic opportunities - but once they get hold of 'em, they're capable of move with very high speed.

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« Reply #52 on: September 22, 2003, 12:15:14 PM »
This one definetly deserves an answer:

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Gee I don't know which part of Russia you traveled in, Moscow?


Well, Moscow is not "Russia". It's believed to be a country inside country. The biggest European city, a financial and cultural centre - it's believed to be different from the rest. But IMHO it's highly overestimated. I travell around quite a lot, and cities like Samara or Volgograd are nice places to live.


The parts I've seen were in an amazing state of decay and the people fought for survival.
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If you go to a village 400km from Moscow and 100km from Tver - you'll see almost prehistoric conditions. People there just survive without any attention from authorities, having electricity, one phone per village and one store with bread delivered weekly. I wish I could live like that. In Western Caucasus I saw villages in the mid-90s where they didn't see new money at all, have no radio and enjoy this state. They grow vegetables, exchange brerad for some goods and go hunting with rusty three-line bolt action rifles from Civil war times that they dig from the ground.

Damn, Svans, an Orthodox nation living at the Grand Caucasus didn't ever see a wheel until the first Soviet plane landed there in mid 30s...

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 Happy they were not. In St.Petersburg for example 90% of the people on the streets were drunk and drinking openly in public.


This is the most funny thing I have read here. Several years ago me and my friend were standing near an underground station, talking and drinking beer. When we needed another two bottles we came to a nearest booth, bought and opened beer, and heard "Look, they are drinking without even hiding bottles in paper bags!" in pure English. "This is our city, and we don't need any paper bags here" we answered. An American couple looked as if they saw a talking monkey :D

Listen: I drink whatever I want, I smoke wherewer I want, and it's MY problem. I don't start street fights, I am polite to the others, so - just go your way and don't teach me how to live. If you think that I have drank enough alcohol to kill a horse and I am still sober - you have to rethink your experience. Some problems just can't be solved without a halflitre.


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This was around 1999. Roads were in such a bad condition even in the city that the car we used was caught from it's bottom several times and ended up having wheel damage as a result of a huge hole in the asphalt.


"There are two problems in Russia: roads and fools". It was said 200 years ago, and it didn't change... :( But how does it come that Western cars are so popular here, while, as you said, only 4WD jeeps can survive at Russian roads? ;) You just have to learn driving. We also have extremely hard lamp-posts and very thick trees that will turn your car into a scrap metal if you hit them at 60km/h. :p

When I was in the US in 1989 I was surprised that the roads are not better then what we have here...

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 I have a couple of friends with girlfriends / wives originating from russia and based on the stuff I've heard from them and their families who we visited (witnessed first hand), it's no song and dance. While we were visiting the city, the St.Petersburg news had an article about a residential area next to a park. The park had radioactive waste buried in it for years and was only discovered after mysterious illnesses in the surrounding buildings.


Another fairy-tale. I have a good view on a nuclear reactor from my work window, so what? Do you know how much radiation you should be exposed to to get a "mysterious illnesses" of some sort?

We have some strange places here, for instance Kuzminki chemical weapon test ground, abandoned in the 30s is now inside Moscow, and is in fact a recreational park, but I don't know if anyone was hurt or poisoned there. BTW, in mid-90s a T-34 was found in a park lake several kilometers from there, also inside Moscow, absolutely working condition, so what?...


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Crime rate is exceptionally high and a western tourist must really look out while moving down there. The whole community is corrupt - you can't even trust the police. In fact, most of the tickets dealt benefit the policemans cash fund directly. Very illuminating is that during the timeperiod omon - the police force fighting organized crime - arrested, tied and laid down a whole nightclub in st.petersburg. After the customers were released the club was robbed empty. The chief of police gave 'no comment.'


Hehe, how much drug dealers did they arrest? The club was rpbbed empty of what? MJ and cocaine stock?

You really can't trust our beloved militia, this is true. Road police are bloodsuckers, and it's well known. It's up to you - if you were caught driving drunk you will wish to pay as much as you can so they will not take your driver's licence and try to bribe them. There are almost always two ways to solve your problem with militia: according to the law or by an agreement based on some money. I hate this state of affairs, but it's the way it goes here. The only way to stop it is probably to hang all our "grey friends" on trees, but it will never happen, you understand why...


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For me going there was a big culture shock for which I wasn't prepared even though I heard many stories beforehand. All in all it left the impression of being very unsecure not least because of the corruption. I decided never to enter the country again and that decision has stuck so far..


Welcome to real life.

I feel absolutely secure in my city. I have already written here that I felt very uncomfortable in NYC, much worse then in any proletarian "gangster block" in Tekstilschiki.

I think that you are either an always-frightened person getting all the horror-stories from the media very seriously, or your hosts were ordinary loosers who miss the relative security of Soviet times.

I just remember one episode in StLouis when I was there in 89: I was told by my hosts that we were about to be robbed, but I didn't understand it, the guys who wanted to rob us heard that I am from USSR and started asking me questions, they have never seen a Soviet before :) Just don't be afraid of everything you don't understand.

Hehe, when our American friends saw Kremlin guards and I explained that "GB" letters on violet shoulder straps mean they serve in KGB - they were frightened as hell :) Frightened by 19-year olds who are out in the city from barracks to eat ice-cream and pick up girls :D

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« Reply #53 on: September 22, 2003, 12:31:49 PM »
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About 60-80g/d should be the maximum for the average male. After that  you'll have to face the consequences: hepatitis-cirrhosis-carcinoma, amongst other diseases...  ;)

-edit- ... talking about pure alcohol  (in grams) of course...


150g of vodka is 60ml of pure alcohol.

when I was younger I could drink up to 1.5 liters at wild parties... Now I think that 1 liter is my limit, but strongly depends on conditions like food, company and atmosphere :) One half-litre bottle with good food just makes you feel better and not drunk. But the same bottle drunk in 2x250ml glasses when you are hungry will knock you out like a shovel against your head.

BTW, an East-German chemical reference book declared 250ml of ethanol as a lethal quantity for a human, with a footnote: "Not for Russians!" ;) It's not a joke!

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« Reply #54 on: September 22, 2003, 12:38:27 PM »
AHGOD,
I've been going every year since 1996, at all times of year, was there for 2000 new years, great time.:) What do you want to know?

Boroda,
I like (vobla) salted fish. with my drink.
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« Reply #55 on: September 22, 2003, 03:07:25 PM »
I heard that an average Russian can only live at 59 yrs old. Does that low life expectancy have to do by drinking 1 liter of vodka a year?

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« Reply #56 on: September 22, 2003, 06:29:04 PM »
Boroda that is the funniest thing I have heard all day.

"Quoted from above by Boroda"
This is the most funny thing I have read here. Several years ago me and my friend were standing near an underground station, talking and drinking beer. When we needed another two bottles we came to a nearest booth, bought and opened beer, and heard "Look, they are drinking without even hiding bottles in paper bags!" in pure English. "This is our city, and we don't need any paper bags here" we answered. An American couple looked as if they saw a talking monkey

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« Reply #57 on: September 22, 2003, 06:37:01 PM »
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AHGOD,
I've been going every year since 1996, at all times of year, was there for 2000 new years, great time.:) What do you want to know?

Boroda,
I like (vobla) salted fish. with my drink.
I have great shops here in Mass. A good size Russian comunity out side Boston.


Well state of affairs is always nice to know, rough cost of having a good time hanging out in a bar a few nights (ok maybe more then a few).  Need info on the Hotel Cosmos in Moscow, I have read about it but once again reading isnt everything ;)  It's cold as shiit in January so I got the clothes part figured out.  Bring Parka and medium sized Leopard seal.  What should I start trying to eat over here to get used to the food?  I am not going there to eat Mexican, Chinese, Or A Burger.  

Some good saying to know before I go there, I just started learning Russian so I will be SOL.  And well anything else.  Thanks.