Furballing???

[PAMARRIN]

OK Here is a new one guys, what is Furballing?

[Horn]

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An excellent site to get started.

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[bigjava]

a furball is when a lot of airplane( more then 2) begin tu turn around, circling in the same area, each one try to keep the enemy's tail to shot down him.
always during their circles the pilots loose progressive altitude arriving next to the ground.... so usually  furballs are low
 for example next to an airfield...

so when someone "furballing" mean 3 different thing

1) a style of figthing called Turn and Burn (T&B),  the opposit to the Boom & zoom tattics, but that is improper calling it furballing it's a slang

2) or  it could be says like an offense, or joking, infact "u are a Furballer" sometimes sound like " u are so newbie that u still circlin, running after every tail u can see"

3) or it is a compliment "u are a furballer"  sound in this case like "u are so strong and sly to survive to one furious fray"

[john9001]

i think T & B is "turn and burn", but 'furballers' hate people who fly missions, drop bombs, capture bases, drive GV's, try to win a reset, fly high(over 5000 ft), fly with wingman,etc

so if you want to 'fuball' you have to fly a LALA7 or spity  under 5k and turn in tight little circles and call any body that does not let you shoot them down a "runner"

[BNM]

Originally posted by john9001
i think T & B is "turn and burn", but 'furballers' hate people who fly missions, drop bombs, capture bases, drive GV's, try to win a reset, fly high(over 5000 ft), fly with wingman,etc

so if you want to 'fuball' you have to fly a LALA7 or spity  under 5k and turn in tight little circles and call any body that does not let you shoot them down a "runner"

You guys don't know much about "furballin" but that's ok, we don't care.

To answer the question: Furballin is turn fighting in a crowd using every edge you can to get on someone's 6, get the shot and get out quickly. The biggest challenge is honing your SA 'situational awareness' to the point that you can survive it and land a few kills. It takes alot of skill: riding the stall, conserving e (when possible), gunnery and most of all SA. Hope this helps and do join in. Your flying skills will increase much faster than they would cherry picking from on high.

[MANDOBLE]

Originally posted by PAMARRIN
what is Furballing?

Target fixation, useless SA, 800 yards spray'n pray, HO'ing and being Hoed over'n over, light and easy rides (mostly point and click ones), turn till puke, little or no usage of vertical plane, living in permanent blackout, etc. The easiest way to get a very high K/H and a very poor K/D ratios, and easiest way to be quickly back to tower without needing to land your plane.

[stegor]

Excellent, Mandoble
You pointed out in the finest way the so called furballing "technics"
I agree 100%;)

[Apache]

...and as usual, Mandoble is 100% wrong. I'm a furballer and my k/h k/d stats are the opposite of what he ascerts.

Out of 75 sorties this tour, I've not landed 20. 16 deaths, 5 capture/ditches.

Yep, ole Mandoble knows the furballers.

[bigjava]

i think that everyone can enjoy flying in his  peculiar  way!!

so if u like or dislike furballing depends of the way u prefer have fun in AH
...
i mean u like furballing u do not agree with MANDOBLE & Stegor (alias Nibbio) ...

if u like furballing  of course u get the rigth to  BNM & Apache

that is freedom heheheheh

personally i agrree at 100% with MANDOBLE & Stegor (alias Nibbio) philosophy so if one tell me that i'm a furballer i'm not so happy again..

....after all Furballing ....it is an insult or it is I compliment?

mmmmm i think all depens if u like or not it:D

just last thing.....

Apache say

 "...and as usual, Mandoble is 100% wrong. I'm a furballer and my k/h k/d stats are the opposite of what he ascerts. "


BNM say


"You guys don't know much about "furballin" but that's ok, we don't care."

 

i do not undestand why people who like furballing have ever to be a bit agressive when u say that u dislake it ....
may be becouse all newbie have been in a furball at the beginning ???
or may be becouse u can't find any tattics in LW,  RAF or USAF jap or russian pilot's manual that teach this powerfull way of figth mmmm... i do not know ....

[Apache]

Bigjava, you have a point. But first, let me point out that I've been flying online combat sims since '94, so a newbie I'm not.

With that said, Mandobles way of fighting is actually the way one would fight if we were "really" in combat. I have several Navy & Airforce fighter pilots in my family and friends. To a one, each would say that if you found yourself in a dogfight (furball), you messed up. The point was to hit an enemy from an unseen vantage point, get in and get out before it was done to you.

My only gripe about anti-furballer comments is that they are wrong in thier descriptions. No SA, spray and pray, don't land, low k/d? Hardly. Stats are there for all to see and proves my point.

[maddog]

Apache right...... everyone else speak with forked tongue..... HOW!

[bigjava]

Originally posted by Apache
Bigjava, you have a point. But first, let me point out that I've been flying online combat sims since '94, so a newbie I'm not.

With that said, Mandobles way of fighting is actually the way one would fight if we were "really" in combat. I have several Navy & Airforce fighter pilots in my family and friends. To a one, each would say that if you found yourself in a dogfight (furball), you messed up. The point was to hit an enemy from an unseen vantage point, get in and get out before it was done to you.

My only gripe about anti-furballer comments is that they are wrong in thier descriptions. No SA, spray and pray, don't land, low k/d? Hardly. Stats are there for all to see and proves my point.

lol u said rigth about what MANDOBLE tell
i mean no every pilots involved in a furball are newbie but i think there is a missundestanding about "furballing", "Furball" and  T&B tattics ....

i made an example to try to show what i think, becouse may be wrong:

10 pilots are making a furball ok ...
well it's like a chimical reaction :
is a swarm of bees that turns, but not all bees turns in same way....

2 off them (Nibbio  and MANDOBLE) stay above the furball try to catch someone using B&Z, they are at the edge of the furball but so next that they are involved....

2 of them  (Apache& BMN) stay in and out of the furball trying to shot down the enemies  using T&B tattics using SA ecc.. ecc..

4 of them  are doing what MANDOBLE have said so they are furballing... without SA ecc..ecc.. but this is my own opinion i know....

1 is flyng a BNM2 (the Kate) in the furball witout undestand that he is not coll he is a stupid Dewbris

and the last 1 ,i suspect that is me, have crashed after compress the 109

so may be what u call furballing i call use T&B
what i cal furballing u call " fling like a cleaved"
but

....without the 4 pilots that are furballing ( fling like a stupid) we, sometime, will have no so fun

and at last let me say again...
apache furballing ? mmmmm?  with a 6.5 K/D i think NO! but if u like that people call u "furballing" that is ok for me  bro

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by bigjava

 

i do not undestand why people who like furballing have ever to be a bit agressive when u say that u dislake it ....
may be becouse all newbie have been in a furball at the beginning ???
or may be becouse u can't find any tattics in LW,  RAF or USAF jap or russian pilot's manual that teach this powerfull way of figth mmmm... i do not know ....

BNM is correct...first you have to know what a Furball is.  A furball isn't a tactic, maneuver or a style of fighting.  A furball simply is a mass of planes dogfighting each other.


ack-ack

[Dead Man Flying]

Ahhhh, Mandoble strikes again.  How can one person be so consistently wrong about so many things?  Astonishing.

-- Todd/Leviathn

[MANDOBLE]

I rarely get involved in a furball, and when I do, it is usually with 190A5, P51B or La5 on purpose (with decent results), and some other rides when an attack mission ends accidentally in a furball, but almost never with Dora.

Most of the times my victims (in Dora) are well aware of my presence (even totally target fixated on me) and no, it is never a hit a run tactic (that would lead to land too few kills or no kills at all), and mostly 1 vs many situations.

I'm not against furballing, nor against furballs, neither against furballers. I'm against those that think nothing but furball are worth to be considered "fighting", and they, at the same time, consider themselves "heros" and "aces". IMO, furballing may be fun for a game like this, but has little or nothing in common with aerial combat, and does not represent anything related to WW2 aerial fights.

If you like to recreate WW2 combat situation, you will try to survive while effectively killing enemies (not just to only keep alive). Then, what would be an acceptable K/D? 5? 6? 10? 20? In that situation (playing like this), a single death (I mean pilot death) is not acceptable, and I'm personally well below that mark.