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Offline Sakai

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« on: September 23, 2003, 05:11:26 PM »
How about an arena that concentrates soley on bombardment excort/interdiction.  You start out at 20k and either climb to rendevous with your escort duty or start hunting for Dickey Autos.

Starting at 20-25k saves guys all the climb time, it's straight into the action.

But you still have to land.

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Offline wetrat

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« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2003, 10:49:08 PM »
What the hell are you talking about?
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« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2003, 12:00:14 AM »
i'de try to elaborate but i have no idea... but adding yet another arena to possibly split up the playerbase or become a flop is never a good idea.. we'll see how well it works with TOD tho..

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« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2003, 12:21:21 AM »
This is close to something I would like to see, though:  the ability to save the world state (offline, of course), and then restart from that saved state.  So, for example, if I want to practice my 30k buffing, I can climb to 30k once, hit 'save' when only a sector out, then re-do the bomb run over and over until I feel comfortable.  It's the one thing I think the offline mode needs to be complete.

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« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2003, 12:27:24 AM »
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This is close to something I would like to see, though:  the ability to save the world state (offline, of course), and then restart from that saved state.  So, for example, if I want to practice my 30k buffing, I can climb to 30k once, hit 'save' when only a sector out, then re-do the bomb run over and over until I feel comfortable.  It's the one thing I think the offline mode needs to be complete.


This actually sounds like a good idea for offline play.

Or you could just have air starts offline. Might be easier.

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Re: New Arena Idea
« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2003, 02:11:17 AM »
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Originally posted by Sakai
How about an arena that concentrates soley on bombardment excort/interdiction1.  You start out at 20k2 and either climb to rendevous with your escort duty or start hunting for Dickey Autos3.

Starting at 20-25k saves guys all the climb time, it's straight into the action.

But you still have to land.

Sakai
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Thankfuly, I speak fluent idiot, i have alot of friends that speak it naturly.

1. He wants an arena thats just for bombing with escorts, and intercepters.
2. He wants gamey airstarts so he doesn't have climb.
3. Dickey Autos is the target for the day
4. All in all its just what the new TOD arena will be like, but with airstarts, and IMO doesn't deserve a new arena
5. I like pie!

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« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2003, 06:12:56 AM »
I dont think theres anything wrong wth this request although i personally dont think a new arena is needed.
It could be done with a new map if you have a squad willing to practice this way.In fact as long as you have enough friends to play together you can set up this very thing on H2H.
There is a map of germany which has 25k or so airstarts right now. I have played it and the airstart does drop you in with no engines or speed but it still works.

Basically TOD will do this bomber/escort constant playing that you describe here.There appears there will be constant missionsrunning in AI at regular intervals which we as players can choose to join or defend against. We will use avatars or different characters, to play as the various types of pilot. Be you an Axis fighter pilot intercepting the bombers ('dicke auto' is name given to bombers by the Luftwaffe pilots Bendover) or maybe a special Jabo intruder pilot using 190s or bombers to attack the allied rear supplies or maybe a B17 pilot on his tour of 30 or so missions or Fighter pilot charged with defending the lumbering boxes of b17s.
This is what a lot of us want to see. Targets that we wont have to spend months searching for like large bomber streams.
If HTC could make a sort of offline practice feature?
well in a way they have already.I/you can go online(in H2H) or offline and load up the germany map, then i/you can drop in at 25k and practice bombing all day long. I/You could restrict the types of planes which can up to defend, change hardness of targets and all sorts of things like wind and radar settings.
Ok so you dont have the AI bombers but like i said you could set up H2H and get squadmates to join and perform the various tasks like flying bombers in formation and defending in fighters.

Why some others have jumped on your back for asking for a such a simple thing, which i agree would make an enjoyable sort of bomber practice arena, I cant understand :confused:  but I think when TOD arrives it might well be so good we wont want to be airdropped to save time but rather fly the entire trip with the slow taxying out among a hundred(ok maybe 20 or 30 :) ) other bombers, the fully loaded tricky launches, flight to and from targets with its AI or Human  defenders appearing and making attacks on bombers, hoping to find and kill the human players. Little things that will make it great, like not flying your bomber properly in the AI formations making you an obvious human bomber and making any non AI enemy nearby pick you out because of it!!, its VERY similar to how the LW pilots used to pick out the new green crews by attacking any bomber that had trouble maintaining position in the bomber boxes, be it going too fast too slow or just having trouble staying steady.('Combat crew' by John Comer).Falling out of the boxes was at some points in the war almost certain destruction by hordes of heavily armed larger fighters waiting to catch just such a slow lone bomber without the boxes protection.

Its going to be great :D hehe wait for it then if its not enough have another crack at the ' bomber practice arena'. Hmmm BPA has a nice ring to it  ;)
« Last Edit: September 24, 2003, 06:17:42 AM by hazed- »

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Re: Re: New Arena Idea
« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2003, 06:23:40 AM »
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Thankfuly, I speak fluent idiot, i have alot of friends that speak it naturly.


If you dont like the guys idea then why not just say so.  Why do people feel it necessary to debase the guy just for having an idea in the first place.  Good or bad its something that he would like and as a member of this community he should be at least afforded the respect of having his idea discussed in a somewhat respectful manner.

Sakai:  I personally dont think your suggestion is idiotic.  I dont like it much either:) but thanks for taking the time to present it.


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« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2003, 06:28:20 AM »
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I dont think theres anything wrong wth this request although i personally dont think a new arena is needed.


I think that the TOD is supposed to do something like this, we'll see how disciplined everyone is in keeping to it.  Basically, I thought "well, if you give them a start at x angels, you will get enough dweebs to fly who whine about stuff that you can fill the place with targets".

And you know, targets, that's what I'm--we're--all about.

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Why some others have jumped on your back for asking for a such a simple thing, which i agree would make an enjoyable sort of bomber practice arena, I cant understand :confused:  


It's hard to be so damn good looking you know?  They snipe for whatever petty thing they can.  Thankfully, I'm humble enough to endure.

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Its going to be great :D hehe wait for it then if its not enough have another crack at the ' bomber practice arena'. Hmmm BPA has a nice ring to it  ;)


You've got good stuff and ideas here, thanks.  The problem I see is attracting numbers to leave the Hamster wheel.  Guys whine about depleting the chlorinated gene pool, but you know, the Hamster wheel burns guys out and they drop outta the game--just as in AW and WB--permanently.  You gotta have something that brings them back and keeps them there, I think that is where HT is heading, but a couple arenas to give you something besides vultch fests in La7s and Tiffies . . .anything beyond the mediocrity and stupidity of the MA, please.

Sakai
« Last Edit: September 24, 2003, 06:31:22 AM by Sakai »
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« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2003, 11:51:49 AM »
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Thankfuly, I speak fluent idiot, i have alot of friends that speak it naturly.

1. He wants an arena thats just for bombing with escorts, and intercepters.
2. He wants gamey airstarts so he doesn't have climb.
3. Dickey Autos is the target for the day
4. All in all its just what the new TOD arena will be like, but with airstarts, and IMO doesn't deserve a new arena
5. I like pie!
Thank you, Mr. Dover. That is a very good translation ;) My idiot isn't as fluent as it has been. I've been away from channel1 in the MA far too long.. I'm rusty ;)
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« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2003, 12:01:54 PM »
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If you dont like the guys idea then why not just say so.  Why do people feel it necessary to debase the guy just for having an idea in the first place.  Good or bad its something that he would like and as a member of this community he should be at least afforded the respect of having his idea discussed in a somewhat respectful manner.

Sakai:  I personally dont think your suggestion is idiotic.  I dont like it much either:) but thanks for taking the time to present it.



Sorry if i was offensive, but i had a killer hang over this morning; and i wasn't saying his idea was idiotic, although there would be no point in having it with the TOD coming next week, I was on about his sloppy spelling and layout, which most people couldn't read.

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« Reply #11 on: September 24, 2003, 12:07:40 PM »
BenDover,

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« Reply #12 on: September 25, 2003, 12:55:32 AM »
Sakai,

I built a little practice map I sent around to the squad and hosted a couple H2H arenas that does kinda what you describe.  

It has a 25k bomber airstart that sets you up in line with some nice, juicy perk factories, or, if you've 'got game' you can vector hard right and line up on a large airfield.

It has a 25k fighter airstart for divebombing practice on a large airfield and city.

There's a 3 or 5k ( I forgot which, as it's been awhile ) bomber spawn lined up on fleets for torpedo practice.

You're welcome to try it out.. if for nothing else, just to see what you can do with the terrain editor. I've kinda put the terrain building on hold until .. well we all know that, right?  :cool:

Oh, I also programmed a couple fleets to drive through each other so you can pop them with the fleet guns.  :D

Anyway, if ya want a copy, drop me an e-mail and I'll send it over to ya.

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« Reply #13 on: September 26, 2003, 11:04:20 AM »
I have suggested in the past AI bomber forms launched from each country.  9, 12, 15 , and 18 formations.
  Much like the AI fleets, the leg work will be done by the host, but at such a time as the human player determines prudent, he will launch is escort plane to escort, or  be permitted to 'bump' a AI pilot and join the bomber group, or gun for an AI pilot.
  This way each player could decide what he likes to do or what he is good at or try something else becides the suicide jabo.
  The formations will be automatically headed to strategically important and 'relevant to gameplay' targets, such as refineries,
train stations, ball bearing factories and Headquarters.  Aircraft production facilities, v1 and v2 developement sites (oops) and shipyards would also be targets for these groups.
  This would certainly produce more traditional WW2 air combat missions (escort, intercept, and may even produce some fighter sweeps to clear the path since when the word gets out, there are certain to be droves of interceptors) and balance out the time restrictions that most players have.
  I see no harm in gameplay for this idea.  The only problem is the limited resources of HTC.  ( I believe this was the reason given the last time I brought up an AI suggestion.  ).
« Last Edit: September 26, 2003, 11:07:57 AM by WhiteHawk »

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« Reply #14 on: September 26, 2003, 11:09:51 AM »
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Your advtar is a flashback to the 80s when the coolaid man was cool lol. ...... no wait..... that doesnt make sence..... never mind