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Offline Gixer

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« on: September 24, 2003, 06:25:23 AM »
Anyone else find Bush's speech to the UN ironic and laughable? I certinly did. How things can change in just a few months.



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« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2003, 06:44:17 AM »
I love the parts about UNICEF and the World Food Programme especially. I was under the impression that the UN was pointless and irrelevant and 'did no good'. How things have changed.

A cynic might argue that since the costs of Iraq are not diminishing at any appreciable rate, and since US soldiers as peace-keepers for any length of time has rarely been a popular strategy for US administrations to adopt, Bush is simply trying to get 'blue-hats' and cash from the UN to carry some of the burden. The switch in policy from 'to hell with the UN, we'll do it ourselves' to 'the United Nations can contribute greatly' is more than a little transparent.

Personally I welcome more UN involvement, but the position of the 'Coalition of the willing' in all this has been inconsistent to the point of being embarrassing. What happened to all that bravado? In the cold light of a post-war day it seems to have vanished.

Interesting times. I wonder how Iraq will look in a years time.
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Offline TigerStolly

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« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2003, 07:15:09 AM »
It was strange to see Mr Bush talk of acting to preserve the credibilty of the UN when his actions called that credibilty into question in the first place.
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« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2003, 07:19:39 AM »
That speech was mostly aimed at the domestic audience, it went something like this.



Blah, blah, blah, terror, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, terror, blah, blah, blah, terror, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, terror, blah, blah, blah, terror, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, terror, blah, blah, blah, terror, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, terror, blah, blah, blah, terror, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, terror.


Blah, blah, blah, terror, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, terror, blah, blah, blah, terror, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, terror, blah, blah, blah, terror, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, terror, blah, blah, blah, terror, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, terror, blah, blah, blah, terror, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, terror.

After Bush said "terror" for the umpteenth time I lost interest in listening to anymore of his fearmongering and changed the channel.
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Offline muckmaw

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« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2003, 07:43:02 AM »
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It was strange to see Mr Bush talk of acting to preserve the credibilty of the UN when his actions called that credibilty into question in the first place.


Excuse me, but the credibility of the UN was called into question by THE UN.

12 years, 14 resolutions, and a dictator laughed in the face of the world body.

What did the UN do when SH kicked the inspectors out in..was it '98? Answer..nothing.

The UN proved itself a dog with no teeth. There were no negotiations with Iraq worth mentioning about inspections until we started rattling our sabre.

And let's talk abotu Koffi Annan. There he is speaking about countries conducting unilateral actions without the approval of the Security Council.

The recent war in Iraq was predicated by Iraq's violation of the 1991 cease fire agreement. Once that violation occurred, we reverted back to our previous state of hostilities with Iraq. Plain and simple and he should know that. We never had a peace treaty.

Now, if you Bush bashers want to start you little tirade, please feel free.

Just remember, every night when you go to bed, you've got one less dictator developing WMD's. You've got one less anti-christ talking with terrorists, plotting the death and destruction of your family and your hometown. When your done with you little rant, remember to say thanks to GWB and the coalition of the willing. They went and did what the UN could only threaten for the past 12 years.
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Re: Bush v UN
« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2003, 07:45:22 AM »
Bush v UN

history will prove Bush won
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« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2003, 07:58:32 AM »
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Just remember, every night when you go to bed, you've got one less dictator developing WMD's. You've got one less anti-christ talking with terrorists, plotting the death and destruction of your family and your hometown. When your done with you little rant, remember to say thanks to GWB and the coalition of the willing. They went and did what the UN could only threaten for the past 12 years.


I'd like to see the evidence that so definitively proves that Iraq was developing or in the possession of WMD immediately prior to March 2003. To my knowledge, it doesn't (yet) exist. Until it does, save us the sermon, father.

If we want to talk about politicians aiding and abetting terrorists let's take a look at the US's stance towards the Real IRA post Omagh. GWB considers the lack of any action against known members of a terrorist organisation as collusion. I'd say that particularly case fits his bill nicely.

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« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2003, 08:01:45 AM »
Get US out of the UN.
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« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2003, 08:01:58 AM »
Except that Saddam had no active WMD program or any WMD's or any active links to Al-Queda and Mr Bush now claiming that he was doing it all in the interest of the UN is disengenuous.

Iraq is a better place than it was and will continue to improve but a little humility would have gone a long way in his speech since he is now asking for help.
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« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2003, 08:08:51 AM »
Heh funny now the US has found out how bad terrorism is they draft laws to prevent US citizens from funding terrorist groups.

Shame they didn't prevent Americans funding the IRA.  Guess those Irish votes were more important than British lives.
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« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2003, 08:11:08 AM »
man is a painfuly bad liar. amazing he keeps at it with such fervor.
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« Reply #11 on: September 24, 2003, 08:30:40 AM »
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Excuse me, but the credibility of the UN was called into question by THE UN.

12 years, 14 resolutions, and a dictator laughed in the face of the world body.

What did the UN do when SH kicked the inspectors out in..was it '98? Answer..nothing.

The UN proved itself a dog with no teeth. There were no negotiations with Iraq worth mentioning about inspections until we started rattling our sabre.

And let's talk abotu Koffi Annan. There he is speaking about countries conducting unilateral actions without the approval of the Security Council.

The recent war in Iraq was predicated by Iraq's violation of the 1991 cease fire agreement. Once that violation occurred, we reverted back to our previous state of hostilities with Iraq. Plain and simple and he should know that. We never had a peace treaty.

Now, if you Bush bashers want to start you little tirade, please feel free.

Just remember, every night when you go to bed, you've got one less dictator developing WMD's. You've got one less anti-christ talking with terrorists, plotting the death and destruction of your family and your hometown. When your done with you little rant, remember to say thanks to GWB and the coalition of the willing. They went and did what the UN could only threaten for the past 12 years.


Wow, I actually agree with muckmaw on this one. What's this world coming to! :D
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« Reply #12 on: September 24, 2003, 08:30:47 AM »
He has a bridge he is trying to rebuild.
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« Reply #13 on: September 24, 2003, 08:34:33 AM »
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What did the UN do when SH kicked the inspectors out in..was it '98? Answer..nothing.


you are wrong
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« Reply #14 on: September 24, 2003, 08:48:28 AM »
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Get US out of the UN.



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Get the UN out of the US....
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