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Offline MrLars

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« on: September 24, 2003, 01:11:01 PM »
"Limbaugh is full of ****." -- Wesley Clark

Said to a supporter at a fundraiser in NY Monday night.

Rush is trying his best to demonize Clark but every 'fact' he spouts is debunked....what a scumbucket Lumbaugh is.

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« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2003, 01:17:14 PM »
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"Limbaugh is full of ****." -- Wesley Clark



Real debunker there all right.
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« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2003, 01:22:45 PM »
Are you Dems still going on about Clark?  Isn't it about time for a new flavor-of-the week?

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« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2003, 01:27:04 PM »
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Real debunker there all right.


He shouldn't stoop to debunking lies, he has his supporters who do this task willingly.

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« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2003, 01:30:55 PM »
I like to read a good debunking as much as the next guy. Did you read this or hear it? Got a link?

FWIW, I've never been a fan of Rush's. However, the few things I have heard from him made perfect sense.
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« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2003, 01:33:47 PM »
the "whitehouse told me to connect 911 to Iraq" lie?

rush will still be on the airwaves long after clark fades from the spotlight
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« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2003, 01:34:21 PM »
Im not a fan eithe, but I find myself agreeing with some of what he says.

What did he say about Clarke that was debunked? Just curious.

Anyone put any weight into the belief that Hillary will toss her hat in as soon a Bush appears beatable? Some folks are saying Clarke is being fluffed to be her Veep.

Thoughts?

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« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2003, 01:42:36 PM »
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Are you Dems still going on about Clark?  Isn't it about time for a new flavor-of-the week?


Actualy it's the fear that Clark imposes on the right that keeps his name in the news as much as his campaign does. Everyday now there's a new attack in him...that isn't because he's just the flavor d' jour.

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« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2003, 01:47:11 PM »
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I like to read a good debunking as much as the next guy. Did you read this or hear it? Got a link?



What issue you want to hear the facts on? There have been several debated here but when lie is debunked it gets little notice here for some odd reason.

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« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2003, 01:51:54 PM »
Debunk this...


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« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2003, 02:02:17 PM »
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Rush is trying his best to demonize Clark but every 'fact' he spouts is debunked....what a scumbucket Lumbaugh is.


I dunno, just curious as to what Limbaugh said that was debunked.
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« Reply #11 on: September 24, 2003, 02:04:29 PM »
MrLars.....


Please respond to the lie regarding the whitehouse call on 911.

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« Reply #12 on: September 24, 2003, 02:09:30 PM »
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Debunk this...




I'm having trouble seeing the significance of this photo.
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« Reply #13 on: September 24, 2003, 02:16:04 PM »
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I'm having trouble seeing the significance of this photo.




 It's pretty signifigant....


U.S. diplomats warned Clark not to go to Bosnian Serb military headquarters to meet Mladic, considered by U.S. intelligence as the mastermind of the Srebrenica massacre of Muslim civilians (and still at large, sought by NATO peacekeeping forces). Besides the exchange of hats, they drank wine together, and Mladic gave Clark a bottle of brandy and a pistol.

This was what U.S. Ambassador Richard Holbrooke's team seeking peace in Yugoslavia tried to avoid by instituting the "Clark Rule": whenever the general is found talking alone to a Serb, Croat or Muslim, make sure an American civilian official rushes to his side. It produced some comic opera dashes by diplomats.

After Clark's meeting with Mladic, the State Department cabled embassies throughout Europe that there was no change in policy toward the Bosnian Serbs. The incident cost Victor Jackovich his job as U.S. ambassador to Bosnia, even though he protested Clark's course. The upshot came months later, when Serbian dictator Slobodan Milosevic, in bitter negotiations with Holbrooke, handed Clark back his Army hat.

After such behavior, Clark was never on the promotion list to full general until he appealed to Defense Secretary William Perry and Gen. John Shalikashvili, chairman of the Joint Chiefs. He got his fourth star and became commander in chief of the Southern Command. His last post, as NATO supreme commander, found this infantry officer leading an air war against the Serbs over Kosovo. Clark argued with NATO colleagues by insisting on a ground troops option and complaining about the slowly graduated bombing campaign. He was pushed out abruptly by Defense Secretary William Cohen.




 That's cut from the article that pic came from.

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« Reply #14 on: September 24, 2003, 02:19:27 PM »
This is what Clark said:

CLARK: I think there was an immediate determination right after 9/11 that Saddam Hussein was one of the keys to winning the war on terror. Whether it was the need just to strike out or whether he was a linchpin in this, there was a concerted effort during the fall of 2001 starting immediately after 9/11 to pin 9/11 and the terrorism problem on Saddam Hussein.

RUSSERT: By who? Who did that?

CLARK: Well, it came from the White House, it came from people around the White House. It came from all over. I got a call on 9/11. I was on CNN, and I got a call at my home saying, “You got to say this is connected. This is state-sponsored terrorism. This has to be connected to Saddam Hussein.” I said, “But—I’m willing to say it but what’s your evidence?” And I never got any evidence. And these were people who had—Middle East think tanks and people like this, and it was a lot of pressure to connect this and there were a lot of assumptions made. But I never personally saw the evidence and didn’t talk to anybody who had the evidence to make that connection.


Notice that Clark said the "concerted effort...to pin 9/11 and the terrorism problem on Suddam Hussein" came from the White House, people around the White House, and "all over".  He didn't say the phone call came from the White House.  (It wouldn't make much sense for him to say that the call came from "all over".)

I'm not saying he isn't a liar, (he does want to become a politician), but at least he didn't lie about a "call from the White House".
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