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Offline midnight Target

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« Reply #60 on: September 28, 2003, 11:00:26 AM »
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ROFL.

Says a lot about ya.

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I hardly think someone who spent nearly 30 years in the business counts as a "failure".   And yes, he is a newsman and we're arguing about bias in the media, so it seems funny.  But he was there.  He lived it.  You choose not to believe it.  Your choice.  Ignorance is bliss.

BB

PS - you might want to read chapter 8.


Well BB (small barrel?) one of us is ignorant... lets look at another example from "BIAS"...

The Heritage Foundation is always called a "conservative" think tank while the Brookings Institute is never called a "liberal" think tank.

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Our Mission

Founded in 1973, The Heritage Foundation is a research and educational institute - a think tank - whose mission is to formulate and promote conservative public policies based on the principles of free enterprise, limited government, individual freedom, traditional American values, and a strong national defense.


that is from http://www.heritage.org/about/

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MISSION

The Brookings Institution is an independent, nonpartisan organization devoted to research, analysis, education, and publication focused on public policy issues in the areas of economics, foreign policy, and governance. The goal of Brookings activities is to improve the performance of American institutions and the quality of public policy by using social science to analyze emerging issues and to offer practical approaches to those issues in language aimed at the general public.


from http://www.brook.edu/index/about.htm

Now one of these calls themselves "conservative", but neither calls themselves "liberal". Sounds like that dastardly media is failing to make watermelon up again. You need a new hero BB.

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« Reply #61 on: September 28, 2003, 02:26:11 PM »
*sigh*


I notice you left the synopsis of Bernie's "epiphany" alone.  No comment on "wacky" tax plans?

http://www.pfaw.org/pfaw/general/

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"People For the American Way (PFAW) and People For the American Way Foundation
(PFAWF) work to protect the heart of democracy and the soul of the nation. ...
Description: Conducts research, legal, education, and advocacy for a wide variety of liberal causes. Current issues,..."
 (quote from the google search results)

When was the last  time you hear PFAW called "liberal" by anyone other than Bill O'Rielly?

I have no problem with conservative organizations being called such.  But liberal/progressive/socialist organizations are rarely called such.  In one instance, pains are taken to make sure the viewer knows that the view point is conservative, but in the other instance - no effort is made to point out the objectives or direction from which the viewpoint is coming.  Its THAT imbalance that permeates the system.

Tell ya what.  Once franken's book is in the library.  I'll read Franken's book if you read bernie's book.  

We'll each have to post a synopsis of each chapter to prove we read it.  at least one a week.

Deal?

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« Reply #62 on: September 28, 2003, 03:22:06 PM »
All I have to go by is my own perception after 39+ years.

The media that I was seeing, reading and hearing for many years has always, in my opinion been at best, just in the center of the political spectrum.  Mostly its been moderate left to hostile left.

Then I found Limbaugh.  Years later I have Fox news so now I can allow a hell of a lot more divergent opinions and points of view to cross my temporal lobe and it feels great!  I always knew the media I grew up with was biased to the left but today its much better.

I still read the liberal city paper and watch CNN and MSNBC.

My local tv news tends to be really good at reporting just news and weather and stays pretty much out of the editorial business, mostly.

Finally, the media has choices today that for many years it didnt simply provide.  I am much happier with the mdeia today just because it offers so many more choices.

I get a kick out of those that hate limbaugh and fox tv.  They are upset that the media is no longer cornered to their POV bu truth is we are all better off with more opinions.

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« Reply #63 on: October 02, 2003, 02:49:48 AM »
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Deal?


I guess not...

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« Reply #64 on: October 02, 2003, 09:14:47 AM »
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Here's a good example... The Wellstone Memorial service.

Everyone thinks it was a huge Democratic partisan rally. In reality only one speaker mentioned the election to any great extent in the entire 3 hour program. The boos received by Lott were reported as a "smattering" the next day in the Minnesota press, but have been blown into "20,000 liberals screaming" by Limbaugh and his ilk.  Think about what you have heard or think you know about the service. Do you think your information was skewed right or left?


And his son yell "WE WILL WIN" over and over and over. Go back and whatch the tape.
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« Reply #65 on: October 02, 2003, 09:39:37 AM »
Just 'off the top of my head':

The 'CIA selling crack cocaine in the inner cities' 'scandal' (later proved to be total fabrication).

The 'Tailhook' 'scandal' (accusers eventually found unable to actually ID their 'assailants', but that didn't let a couple of female democratic congresswomen/senators/etc. try to ruin the retirement of one of the U.S.A.'s greatest Admirals - because he was a Naval Aviator and spent ~1 hour at Tailhook that year). My favorite was when Coughlin ID'd her 'primary assailant' by facial recognition from a 'chest-up' photo, then somehow thought he was '5'10" tall, average build' when he was actually 6'5" tall and built like an NFL player. The media played it in classic form however - never let the truth get in the way of a good bashing of the U.S. military.

The massively biased coverage of the Danny Ortega/Sandinista fiasco (Sandinistas taking lefty news crews to 'massacres of Priests...who were actually Sandinista terrorists KIA, then moved and dressed up in Priests' robes, etc. - not to mention the almost total lack of reporting about how Ortega failed to get elected once there was an actual vote)

The news crews catching every pro-Osama rally in Pakistan immediately after 11SEP01, and somehow managing to miss every single counter-rally - some of which took place less than a block away and ended up as full-scale brawls between the 2 rallies. Let me get to a scanner in a month or two and I'll post some pictures of those.

General stateside coverage of the most recent war in Iraq.

Civilian casualties occuring when U.S. forces are involved in combat - have you ever noticed that they go with the highest initial casualty report...then never report on the matter again? In Afghanistan the total reported by CNN and parroted by every other major outlet was 7000+. Within 3 months it was known that this was off by almost a factor of 10. Why no update or correction?

The 'Jenin massacre'. A great example of liberal (media) hatred of Israel. The report issued by the PA - stating that "no Palestinian civilians were killed in Jenin" - was a 2 sentence blurb some months after the initial reports of the 'massacre'. The sweeping under the rug of Arafat's direct involvement with the Karine-A is another good example.

Reuters putting quotes around terrorist (i.e., "14 Israelis die in 'terrorist' attack when dumb-prettythanged Palestinian kid blows himself up so Hussein can buy Daddy a new Isuzu"), as if to add their own 'alleged' to the label of terrorist.

The moral equivalence that is constantly assigned to the deliberate targeting of innocent Israeli civilians by terrorists as compared to civilian casualties caused by Israeli military strikes that target specific terrorists. "We didn't mean to kill any civilians" is by no means an absolute defense to any potential accusations. It is also by no means as morally reprehensible as saying "We target Moms and little Kids because they can't fight back and we want to cause terror amongst the civilian populace".

I could go on. I'd like to go get some breakfast though. :)

Far worse than any liberal slant however is the '24/7 coverage' addiction which probably pushes them to allude to scandal, conspiracy, etc. at the slightest hint of the wildest possible collusion of events - because they have to have something new to say every hour. When all else fails, they reword what they've said for the past 6 hours and say "Don't miss our next guest! 'Retired' (they never mention he was sacked by SECDEF for being a political potato of a general, etc.) General So-and-So explains why we are being defeated in Iraq!".

Basically, if you base any opinion off of TV media alone you are a retard. If you base any opinion off of internet media reports without taking the time to read 3, 5, maybe 7 local regional media outlets from the applicable area - using an internet translator - you are a retard. I remember CNN explaining the 'massive Philippino resistance to U.S. troops fighting A-S terrorists in the Philippines'. I knew this was not true due to numerous and varied sources (such as buddies coming home from the region), but the best joke of the hour was reading the reports from the Southernmost towns in the Philippines as opposed to the reports from the North (the ones parroted by CNN). The South was more than ready to have U.S. troops start zapping A-S cells - they had to live with them day to day. The North, mostly insulated by the bulk of the Philippino military, "Didn't see the need for armed U.S. intervention against the terrorists".

Part of it also is that 'bad news sells'. And 'bad news' for Joe the American truck driver is that 'people don't like the U.S.A.'. Once a 'reporter' has 2 or 3 people on record talking about the 'Evil U.S.A.' he's done for the day.

Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, etc. - if you form an opinion on an international news event based solely on U.S. based internet media and U.S. based television media alone you are a clueless retard. You're a tool. You're being told what to think and how to spout it.

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« Reply #66 on: October 02, 2003, 11:10:32 AM »
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And his son yell "WE WILL WIN" over and over and over. Go back and whatch the tape.


Your perception helps make my point. Yes his son did that. But MOST and I mean 90%+ of the service was a memorial to the people. Your opinion is based on a 15 second sound bite.

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« Reply #67 on: October 02, 2003, 11:55:31 AM »
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« Reply #68 on: October 02, 2003, 12:03:07 PM »
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http://www.mediaresearch.org/


Oh, that's a trustyworthy and unbiased source.

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« Reply #69 on: October 02, 2003, 02:17:09 PM »
Just as trust worthy as say...











New York Times
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« Reply #70 on: October 02, 2003, 02:52:25 PM »
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Just as trust worthy as say...


Did you just suggest that a hopelessly biased and untrustworthy news source somehow offsets another?  Amazing.

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« Reply #71 on: October 02, 2003, 03:03:22 PM »
Well I guess I did.

I'm just not in the mode to look for all the bias statements in today’s newspapers and TV.

For example; whenever Judicial Watch investigates a Dem they are a "conservative" group, when they investigate a Rep, the are "non-partisan" group. It's in today’s Boston globe. They are looking into Dean’s records, and of course are a "conservative group, the second word in the article.

Why do you suppose it is that liberals don’t find ABC NBC CBS CNN MSNBC New York times, Washington post, LA times, Chicago tribune (damn that’s a long list) bias, Because maybe they expound the same beliefs. Yet they hate FOX because they don’t agree with them. This is all the proof you need that there is bias in the news.
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