Q: What's the difference between a sportsman and a criminal?

[Tarmac]

Originally posted by fd ski
Until you can absolutely guarantee that no one will ever show up at my door with a nuclear bomb, I want the right to have one.

Signed,
Your loving raghead leader of Iran and "i love them 70s glases" nutcase of North Korea.

And I wouldn't want a "nutcase" owning an assault rifle either.  Current laws (at least in Michigan) don't allow for a person with mental problems to purchase a weapon, and likewise, a regime with a history of 'mental problems' shouldn't be able to either.  And I think this is exactly the way it should be.  You have no history of doing stupid things, there's no reason not to trust you with a weapon.  

But then we get into issues of who decides what a mental problem is, and things get a little sticky.

[fd ski]

Well Tarmac, would you agree that governments that generally behave aggresivelly and BREAK TREATIES AND PROMISES COULD BE CONSIDERED MENTALY UNSTABLE ???

I'll get you to frog bastard !!!

[Tarmac]

Lol, I see what you're getting at.  

And yes, by that definition, maybe.  All I can do is hope that the next presidential election fixes that instability problem we have here.  

[Tarmac]

Oh yeah, and that mental instability you're referring to in certain countries is all the more reason that I think we need to be able to go out and buy assault rifles.  

[AcId]

Originally posted by Erlkonig
The SKS is not an assault rifle; not by federal law, nor by the commonly accepted military definition.  Is that clear enough?  The term "assault rifle" gets so abused in the media - conflated with fully-automatic weapons and weapons of other illegal configuration - it is no wonder people are so confused on what the issue actually is.

Someone help me out here i'm ignorant on this subject. How does the law define "Assualt rifles"? If I was half as smart as a waterhead head cashier at the Wal-mart I would word the law so that "fully automatic" would define an assault rifle, not necessarily the make and model.

[muckmaw]

Tarmac-

If it ever comes down to you and the NRA defending the USA from whatever with your guns....we're already too far gone for you guys to save.

But whatever...knock yourself out.

I personally don't see why you need an M-60 to go deerhunting. I would get it if the deer carried guns too.

And what's with the silencers? Afraid you'll scare other deer away?

Hell, I own 2 guns. I don't hunt. I go to the A&P when I'm hungry. I keep a 20 gauge shotgun in my closet in case anyone breaks into my house and harms my family.

I had a 30/30. I brought it to be cleaned, and the smith told me if I fired it and missed, it could go through the neighbors house too. Translation: too much gun. It's unnecessary for it's purpose.

Tarmac, do you go to that survivalist training thing too? You know like the Michigan Militia and all? Just curious.

[Gunslinger]

Who's to say what guns I should or should not have.  Who's to say what religion I should or should not practice.  Who's to say what kind of liturature I should or should not write.

This is Freedom...

Its been paid for in blood by my anscestors and yours.

It slaps them in the face everytime our constitution is chissled away at.

NOw that the patriotic rant is over with (I beleive in every word I said up there)  Gun control is about controling fire arms of law abiding citizens.  Its no secret that MOST violent crimes that are commited with guns are done by poeple who get this guns unlawfully.

Why control the guns, make new laws, or harrass normal law abiding citizens when most of the current laws WORK they just arnt enforced all that much.  

Look at Canada, england, and especially austrailia...when they banned guns crime involving guns went up 300%


The constitution is a non-negotiable contract!

[Tarmac]

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An example of assault weapon legislation is the Federal 1994 Crime Bill. The bill in part outlaws new civilian manufacture of certain semi-automatic assault weapons. It also prohibits new civilian manufacture of "large capacity ammunition feeding devices" declared certain weapons as assault weapons, and states a semi-automatic rifle is an assault weapon if it can accept a detachable magazine and has two or more of the following:

A folding or telescoping stock
A pistol grip
A bayonet mount
A flash suppressor, or threads to attach one
A grenade launcher.
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From:
http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcassaul.html

Not the actual law, but I got tired of sifting through legal webpages.

[muckmaw]

But heres another point to consider.

I can almost guarantee, if you look up the records, most crimes are committed by illegal HANDGUNS. I would bet 90% are unregistered and therefore illegal.

I don't think the anti-gun lobby should be after the assault weapons. If you want to protect the public, find a way to enforce we already have regarding handguns.

(I still think autos are overkill, but it's not my hobby)

[Erlkonig]

Originally posted by AcId
Someone help me out here i'm ignorant on this subject. How does the law define "Assualt rifles"? If I was half as smart as a waterhead head cashier at the Wal-mart I would word the law so that "fully automatic" would define an assault rifle, not necessarily the make and model.

1. Any of the firearms, or copies or duplicates of the firearms in any caliber, known as -
    (1) Norinco, Mitchell and Poly Technologies Avtomat Kalashnikovs
    (all models);
    (2) Action Arms Israeli Military Industries UZI and Galil
    (3) Beretta Ar70 (SC70)
    (4) Colt AR-15; (v) Fabrique Nationale FN/FAL, FN/LAR, and FNC;
    (5) SWD M-10, M-11, M-11/9, and M-12;
    (6) Steyr AUG
    (7) INTRATEC TEC-9, TEC DC-9, and TEC-22 and
    (8) revolving cylinder shotguns, such as (or similar to) the Street Sweeper
    and Striker 2;

2. A semiautomatic rifle that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least 2 of -
    (1) a folding or telescopic stock;
    (2) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the
     weapon;
    (3) a bayonet mount;
    (4) a flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a
    flash suppressor; and
    (5) a grenade launcher;

[muckmaw]

Originally posted by Gunslinger

The constitution is a non-negotiable contract!

Actually, don't amendments change the constitution?

[Tarmac]

Originally posted by muckmaw
Tarmac-

If it ever comes down to you and the NRA defending the USA from whatever with your guns....we're already too far gone for you guys to save.

Tarmac, do you go to that survivalist training thing too? You know like the Michigan Militia and all? Just curious.

Heh, nope.  

I don't own a gun.  The extent of my firearms experience is taking my dad's shotguns out to the trap range, or when I was younger, duck hunting.  

That being said, I do believe that it's important to be able to get one if I wanted it, for whatever reason.

[Tarmac]

Originally posted by muckmaw
But heres another point to consider.

I can almost guarantee, if you look up the records, most crimes are committed by illegal HANDGUNS. I would bet 90% are unregistered and therefore illegal.

I don't think the anti-gun lobby should be after the assault weapons. If you want to protect the public, find a way to enforce we already have regarding handguns.

(I still think autos are overkill, but it's not my hobby)

Lol Muck, whose side are you on here anyways?  

[rabbidrabbit]

Originally posted by gofaster
A single-action Winchester would work just as well, wouldn't it?  Do you really need a full-auto SKS (oh, sorry, that book is just for academic study so yours would just be semi-auto) with a 30-round clip?

Incidentally, during my quick research about SKS assault rifles, I discovered there's an active market for silencers for them, too.

If you knew what you where talking about you would know the following.

1) Silencers don't work on supersonic ( >1200FPS) rounds for rather obvious reasons.

2)  Full auto (pull trigger = fires until empty or jammed) is way over rated in rifles.  I would run towards the guy with full auto over the guy with semi any time.

[muckmaw]

Originally posted by Tarmac
Lol Muck, whose side are you on here anyways?  

This may throw you off, but I'm on the side of...well, uh..keeping an open mind and being honest.

My honest assessment?

I think the guys who want the full auto's and semi-auto's and nickel plated thingy don't want to impress the deer. I'm guessing their repressed military guys who still want to play army. Hell, I like paintball, dressing up in camo and looking like a schmuck, too.

The gun nuts are not expecting the black helo's to land, or Al quaida to invade. Those that do are paranoid, and scare me.

Hunting is a cop out. You don't need a bazooka to take out a Mallard. Let's be real here.

But that being said, I'd bet if you look at the records, aside from a fre sensationalized cases, most crimes are committed by handguns. Why? Easy to conceal, easy to operate, easy to get. I'd bet coming in second would be shot guns. Why? Easy to get.

So keep the Auto gun laws as is. The law-abiding folks will fill out the paperwork, go through the waiting period, and then go blow Daffy and Bambi to kingdom come.

Your trying to regulate people by regulating their tools. I'd wager, if you outlawed every firearm in the world..I mean tool them all away, there's be some guy knocking over a liquor store with a butter knife. And you can't outlaw those. What would we spread marmalade with?

The crooks ain't buying their guns at Wal-mart folks.