Author Topic: Q: What's the difference between a sportsman and a criminal? (Read 6424 times)

gofaster · « **on:** September 25, 2003, 02:54:37 PM »

A: sportsmen don't shoot at cops. But how can you tell the difference until after the fact? Its not illegal to own an SKS assault rifle. Yet. Should it be?

Personally, I think there's a limit at which rifles beyond a certain capability are a bit of overkill, even for hunting. I don't know much about guns, but I can't think of any useful purpose for an assault rifle in the hands of civilians.

http://www.stpetersburgtimes.com/2003/09/25/Southpinellas/Valor_medals_stir_wou.shtml

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That night, Virden was on regular patrol in his squad car with rookie Officer Troy Gardner. A detective announced over the police radio that a Chevrolet Caprice wanted in a drive-by shooting was at 22nd Avenue S and Seventh Street. Virden saw the Chevrolet, pulled behind it and flipped on his lights and siren.

But the Chevrolet sped through four red lights and onto the interstate. With Virden close behind, two men in the Chevrolet sat in the open windows. They fired SKS assault rifles.

A bullet hit the squad car's spotlight. Another sailed through the windshield, hit Virden's ball cap and grazed his head. It pierced the plexiglass prisoner barrier and blew out the rear window.

Police Chief Chuck Harmon visited Virden in the hospital the night of the shooting. "It was frightening to see the copper jacket from the bullet lodged in his hat," Harmon said in announcing the awards in the Bayfront Center.

capt. apathy · « **Reply #1 on:** September 25, 2003, 03:02:13 PM »

the 2nd amendment isn't about hunting

Sandman · « **Reply #2 on:** September 25, 2003, 03:04:57 PM »

It's illegal to own an SKS in the great state of Cauleeforneeya.

miko2d · « **Reply #3 on:** September 25, 2003, 03:13:50 PM »

An SKS is a low-powered rifle - using quite weak 7.62x39 round with a 120 grain low-velocity bullet. It is barely good for short-range hunting of a medium-size game.

It is not even qualified as an assault rifle because it does not have a detacheable magazine - has to be re-loaded with a clip. It is also quite long and rather heavy.

The only reason it is banned in many locales (NYC) is that it is a rifle that was actually used by some militaries.

Its only advanatges are reliability, extremely low cost for a semi-auto rifle (~$200) and cheap ammo - ~8 cents per round.
And it's not automatic - it's semi-auto.

miko

DmdNexus · « **Reply #4 on:** September 25, 2003, 03:14:01 PM »

What's sporting about shooting bambi with an assault rifle on full auto?

Even worse, what's sporting about shooting bambi with an arrow, and having it run off and slowly bleed to death where it can't be found.

If you want sport, buy a turtle, take it to the local K school yard and let the kids play with it during recess, and then just before the bell rings beat it to a club with a club in front of every one.

The sport is deflecting all the hate mail and the national TV coverage you'll get.

The sport is defending your self against the SPCA, and all the other "we love animals" nuts who'll picket your house and yell at you as you drive to work, to the store, and where ever else you want to go.

The sport is defending your self against the blood sucking lawyers wanting to sue you for the "tramua" you inflicted upon young psychies.

Now that's a sports man and a real man.

gofaster · « **Reply #5 on:** September 25, 2003, 03:26:12 PM »

I did a quick search and found this:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0873647858/ref=ase_gunnersden-20/103-1118545-4627065?v=glance&s=books

Seems the SKS can be made full-auto with "simple hand tools" for "recreational full-auto fire". But remember, this is just an academic study and you aren't supposed to actually do what the books says.

You can also get 30-round quick-change magazines for it.

Erlkonig · « **Reply #6 on:** September 25, 2003, 03:26:18 PM »

The SKS is a commie rifle that was obsolete by the time WWII ended. Don't know FL's gun laws, but they are not "assault rifles" under federal law. In fact, they are actually considered "curios & relicas", and if you have a C&R license ($30 fee and some paperwork/wait), you can have one shipped to your doorstep.

Tarmac · « **Reply #7 on:** September 25, 2003, 03:31:10 PM »

The second amendent doesn't say a thing about hunting. It does say something about security.

Until you can absolutely guarantee that no one will ever show up at my door with an assault rifle, I want the right to have one.

rpm · « **Reply #8 on:** September 25, 2003, 03:33:19 PM »

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Originally posted by DmdNexus
What's sporting about shooting bambi with an assault rifle on full auto?

Even worse, what's sporting about shooting bambi with an arrow, and having it run off and slowly bleed to death where it can't be found.

If you want sport, buy a turtle, take it to the local K school yard and let the kids play with it during recess, and then just before the bell rings beat it to a club with a club in front of every one.

The sport is deflecting all the hate mail and the national TV coverage you'll get.

The sport is defending your self against the SPCA, and all the other "we love animals" nuts who'll picket your house and yell at you as you drive to work, to the store, and where ever else you want to go.

The sport is defending your self against the blood sucking lawyers wanting to sue you for the "tramua" you inflicted upon young psychies.

Now that's a sports man and a real man.

Oh where do I start? Full Auto weapons are illegal, unless you have a Federal Collectors Permit from the ATF.

Bow hunter's rarely lose their prey. The stalking, tracking and packing is 3/4 of the hunt.

As for the rest, please consult a local Psychologist or other Mental Health professional. You have some serious issues to work out.

gofaster · « **Reply #9 on:** September 25, 2003, 03:43:35 PM »

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Originally posted by Tarmac
The second amendent doesn't say a thing about hunting. It does say something about security.

Until you can absolutely guarantee that no one will ever show up at my door with an assault rifle, I want the right to have one.

A single-action Winchester would work just as well, wouldn't it? Do you really need a full-auto SKS (oh, sorry, that book is just for academic study so yours would just be semi-auto) with a 30-round clip?

Incidentally, during my quick research about SKS assault rifles, I discovered there's an active market for silencers for them, too.

Sixpence · « **Reply #10 on:** September 25, 2003, 03:58:04 PM »

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Originally posted by Tarmac
Until you can absolutely guarantee that no one will ever show up at my door with an assault rifle, I want the right to have one.

Although I don't agree with people owning assault rifles, you make a good point. The hollywood shootout comes to mind, they even had full body armor.

Tarmac · « **Reply #11 on:** September 25, 2003, 04:01:41 PM »

Why would a single action Winchester work just as well as an SKS for home/national defense? There's a reason soldiers carry assault rifles and not hunting rifles.

SOB · « **Reply #12 on:** September 25, 2003, 04:07:05 PM »

LOL Nexus, you are a twisted bastard! That had me rolling.

Erlkonig · « **Reply #13 on:** September 25, 2003, 04:21:08 PM »

The SKS is not an assault rifle; not by federal law, nor by the commonly accepted military definition. Is that clear enough? The term "assault rifle" gets so abused in the media - conflated with fully-automatic weapons and weapons of other illegal configuration - it is no wonder people are so confused on what the issue actually is.

fd ski · « **Reply #14 on:** September 25, 2003, 04:26:48 PM »

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Originally posted by Tarmac

Until you can absolutely guarantee that no one will ever show up at my door with an assault rifle, I want the right to have one.

Until you can absolutely guarantee that no one will ever show up at my door with a nuclear bomb, I want the right to have one.

Signed,
Your loving raghead leader of Iran and "i love them 70s glases" nutcase of North Korea.