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Offline Karnak

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« Reply #30 on: September 29, 2003, 11:43:48 PM »
Hazed,

The a Meteor Mk III squadron engaged a Fw190 squadron in a fight, but had to run when some Spitfires showed up and started shooting at the jets.

Meteor Mk III: 0
Fw190: 0


That said, I do agree with you that the Meteor should, at beast, have the lowest priority of any aircraft.
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« Reply #31 on: September 30, 2003, 05:31:40 AM »
But Karnak, the Meteor IIIs didn't have any bullets on target, hitting these manned 190s which were flying... in the air... during the war. Therefore they shouldn't be added.

The Meteor would be an interesting addition after the planeset is fleshed out a bit.
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« Reply #32 on: September 30, 2003, 07:24:43 AM »
But a Meteor did shoot down a Fieseler Storch....so it must be included!:D
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« Reply #33 on: September 30, 2003, 07:39:00 AM »
Heh. Was it flying in the air during the war and were there luftwaffles inside? This may change everything!
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« Reply #34 on: September 30, 2003, 07:52:50 AM »
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But Karnak, the Meteor IIIs didn't have any bullets on target, hitting these manned 190s which were flying... in the air... during the war. Therefore they shouldn't be added.

The Meteor would be an interesting addition after the planeset is fleshed out a bit.


The Meteor was doing 'ground pounding'. Does that count?
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« Reply #35 on: September 30, 2003, 08:08:13 AM »
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LOLOLOL....

Read the thread Frank, the F7F was one the most formidable piston powered FIGHTERS ever built! It's the enemy that would need defensive guns!  :rofl

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Puh...it still looks like a light bomber.....:o
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« Reply #36 on: September 30, 2003, 08:16:40 AM »
So does the me110 but if flown well it is also a formidable fighter.:D
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« Reply #37 on: October 03, 2003, 04:07:41 AM »
IMHO any plane that fired its guns in anger during WW2 does qualify. The Meteor was on the hunt, did ground strafing, and did shoot down doodlebugs as well.
How about the F7F and F8F?
BTW, saw an F7F on an airshow. Now that is a Beast! Looks big and bulky, but flies very very well :)
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« Reply #38 on: October 05, 2003, 10:27:08 PM »
I DO NOT THINK THE METEOR SHOULD BE IN ACES HIGH BECAUSE IT ONLY FIRED 327 ROUNDS IN COMBAT AND I THINK THE LIMIT SHOULD BE 350 ROUNDS.  PLUS IT WAS FIRING HIGH EXPLOSIVE BULLETS NOT ARMOR PIERCING WHICH CLEARLY SHOWS IT WAS NOT A AIR TO AIR COMBAT PLANE.

Lets get real super-dorks :)  Aces High is so unrealistic that we should allow any plane that had at least 1 squadron equipped in.  We have N1K2s dogfighting Fw-190s, P-51s fighting Spitfire MkXIVs.  Aces High is not a World War II sim, its a hypothetical fight between aircraft produced between 39-45.
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« Reply #39 on: October 08, 2003, 07:40:01 AM »
Hi David,

>Aces High is not a World War II sim, its a hypothetical fight between aircraft produced between 39-45.

Actually, there's no reason to draw a line in 1945 ... many interesting aircraft were built (or never built ;-) later than that!

I believe most players arguing about plane types are actually concerned about gameplay fairness, not about historical accuracy. Fairness undoubtly is a very important consideration for any game!

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« Reply #40 on: October 12, 2003, 05:48:21 AM »
Hi Widewing,

>With a 558 mph max speed (on the deck), a climb rate of better than 4,500 fpm, it would likely overpower the Me 262 in the MA (the P-80A weighs less than the 262 and has slightly greater wing area too).

To be fair, by 1946 the Luftwaffe jets would have had improvemed performance, too. Just mounting the upcoming BMW003D engine with 1100 - 1175 kp thrust on the existing aircraft would have given the following performance:

Me 262 - 570 mph @ sea level, 600 mph top speed, 5000+ fpm
He 162 - 575 mph @ sea level, 610 mph top speed, 6000+ fpm

The Ar 234B would have been replaced by the four-engined Arado 234C, which made 544 mph top speed with 4 x BMW003A and could be expected to reach 600 mph with 4 x BMW003D.

Then there was the Jumo 004E on the test benches, which featured an afterburner, the BMW003R which consisted of a BMW003A which a small rocket engine giving an extra 1250 kp (more than doubling the total thrust), and the diagonal-compressor He S011 which gave 1300 kp of thrust.

These three engines were completed and running in several examples at the end of the war. The only one going into production was the He S011, eight pre-series examples of which had to be completed for the US :-)

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