A civil Iraq discussion thread: please leave your hyperbole at the door

[Dowding]

I am not talking about the dog - I'm talking about the fellas in jail for mistreating the animal. They've got nothing to lose - they are well and truly shagged. But they can gain alot.

Patience is a good thing. I can wait - but not indefinitely. Iraq is costing my country 40 million a week, while old age pensioners struggle on a pittance, new hospitals don't get built and staff don't get trained. Schools don't get new roofs, new books or computer equipment.

I'm all for foreign aid but there are limits. I think in about a year I'll look at the whole thing and draw firm conclusions then.

[Holden McGroin]

Included with the regular civilians are dogs of a rather high ranking pedigree.  Saddam did kill 2 sons- in- law for crossing him....

The occupation is costing Britian and USA both quite a bit, and your timeline seems fairly reasonable.  

Even if the reasons going in prove incorrect, the costs we are paying now seem to be unavoidable.  The worst thing we could do now is a complete pull out and give SH an opportunity to return.

[lord dolf vader]

funny hard times are all over here also.

we are paying 1 billion a week.  about 1/3 the people i know even have healthcare.


and the "hearts and minds" crap about a dog is just some crap left over from viet nam. they want us out never wanted us in.

iraqis dont like us. dont you get it?

[Rude]

Originally posted by lord dolf vader
funny hard times are all over here also.

we are paying 1 billion a week.  about 1/3 the people i know even have healthcare.


and the "hearts and minds" crap about a dog is just some crap left over from viet nam. they want us out never wanted us in.

iraqis dont like us. dont you get it?

Did staying out of it save the lives of those killed from the towers, world trade in 93, our cruiser that got hit or 9-11?

Perhaps you feel better being a victim.

[Siaf__csf]

Rude do you honestly think the terrorist attacks will actually stop with your country invading arab territory?

My logic says they increase with the offensive.

[AKIron]

They'll stop, or at least slow down when the middle eastern governments begin showing zero tolerance for terrorist organizations within their countries. If we make that an imperative for the survival of said governments they'll have little choice. We can do this only with determined resolve to go the distance. Anything less will lead only to increased aggression.

I'm confident that Bush knew full well he was starting something that he couldn't finish, at least in one term. By "starting something" I don't mean he started this war. This war was begun long ago but escalated on 9-11-2001. What Bush started was a response to the Islamic fundamentalist aggression. A response that can only be successful when fully completed.

As divided as we Americans seem to be over so many things, I have strong doubts that we'll have the resolve to win this "war against terrorism". However, that we have a leader that is willing to risk very possible failure to do what must be done gives me hope.

[Rude]

Originally posted by Siaf__csf
Rude do you honestly think the terrorist attacks will actually stop with your country invading arab territory?

My logic says they increase with the offensive.

I understand fully that we have set an example to those who wish us harm starting in the pullout of marines in Beirut....killing Americans has been free of cost to this point. No longer.

I attended a Military Academy in high school....there were those who would push and continue to push until you busted them in the face...not once, but several times until they realized that there was a cost associated with that pushing.

Same principle applies in Afghanistan and Iraq.