Author Topic: please get rid of or remodel the freaking NIK  (Read 173 times)

G10Whore

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please get rid of or remodel the freaking NIK
« on: May 15, 2001, 01:59:00 PM »
come on guys, wtf happened here

why cant you just admidt its killing the game

jeez

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please get rid of or remodel the freaking NIK
« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2001, 02:04:00 PM »
Its not.
You just cant beat them.

Hehehe, go practice.

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please get rid of or remodel the freaking NIK
« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2001, 02:05:00 PM »
I am patiently waiting for HTC to take a look at the propwash effects (in other thread he said he was not satisfied with it).

IMO, the worse problem with the N1K2 is its lack of torque. Maybe the propwash fix will take away this problem.

 It keeps E too well IMO,but Pyro said he took a look at it and he didnt found anything bad modelled in its E-keeping.

In any case I dont think its killing the game. It is abundant but not everywhere,and is not much more abundant than in previous TODs. It is not a very fast plane and has cannons wich hit at decent range, unlike "that other plane"  

IMO, it needs some FM revision (propwash) . But I dont think it needs to be perked.

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G10Whore

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please get rid of or remodel the freaking NIK
« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2001, 02:09:00 PM »
I read swoops apology and got to thinking, you know that just happens way too much

I guess HiTech and crew wanted to keep the UFO from warbirds

I guess they forgot to make it unavailable and then when people started flying it the just called it the NIK


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« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2001, 02:17:00 PM »
Try reading accounts from American Navy pilots about what a N1K flown by a competant pilot could do.  

The whines of a "UFO" are eerily similar to the real-lide whines of "impossible maneuvers".

I'm not saying the N1K is right; I'm not saying it's wrong.   I don't know as I do not fly it.  All I'm saying is the real one was known to be an incredibly capable warplane, too.

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please get rid of or remodel the freaking NIK
« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2001, 02:27:00 PM »
Who cares? The niki FM is being looked at, and I personally don't see it that much.

BTW RAM, about those weak Typhoon tailplanes. I seem to remember you saying that 26 planes lost their tails due to this effect AFTER strengthening? Well, I happened to have a book delivered last week; 'Hawker Typhoon: The Combat History'.

It says that there 26 pilot deaths due to SEVERAL defects including:

1) Seepage of carbon monoxide into the cockpit due to the deterioration of the engine bulkhead seals - pilot unconsciousness as a result

2) Engine failure through wear on the valve sleeves causing a jam that would blow up the cylinder

3) Breaking off of the tail-unit

So the 26 deaths were due to ALL three effects and not just the tail plane problem. This issue was partly cured by riveting 20 fish plates around the fuselage.

The book also includes the notable history of all 3317 typhoons built (the last one being delivered to the RAF in November 1945). A cursory glance through these reveals that more typhoons were shot down by spitfires, P-51s and P-47s than by losing their tail.  

The breaking of the tail is explained here:

"The cause turned out to be a manefestation... [of]...compressibility. Aircraft react to its effect in various ways, according to the shape of their wings. On the Typhoon, the effect was to force its nose down beyond the vertical. This a pilot could not rectify until he had reduced speed. The conclusion was that the pilots had simultaneously throttled right back and brought the nose up by using the trimming gear; thus, when speed dropped enough for the controls to act normally, the nose, under full trim, rose so violently that it imposed a breaking strain on the tail unit. It was also found that at high speeds elevator flutter often made the tail section break at the rear fuselage transport joint."

Hope that clears it up, RAM.  
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