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« Reply #30 on: October 01, 2003, 08:50:01 PM »
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I was shocked


This is the third round of tax cuts, and as far as ai know the first impovement.  One month of growth doesnt prove a hell of a lot, and it is quite possible that in a complex economy there are other factors at play.

Now some right wingers say the CLinton era boom was due to Reagan - so by that logic maybe this recovery could be atributable to CLinton??  I know that sounds ridiculous but it illustrates my point.

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« Reply #31 on: October 01, 2003, 08:52:12 PM »
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Q. What happens when the other things improve as well.


What happens when they don't?

They'll blame the pres, welcome to American politics.
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« Reply #32 on: October 01, 2003, 08:55:09 PM »
Agreed STRK,

But on that same notion, Bush cant be blamed for an economy he inherited.  It seems to me like anytime you get a republican gets in the white house people start yelling RECESION RECESION!  and if he takes a dump wrong the DOW loses a couple hundred points.

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« Reply #33 on: October 01, 2003, 09:10:58 PM »
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It seems to me like anytime you get a republican gets in the white house people start yelling RECESION RECESION! and if he takes a dump wrong the DOW loses a couple hundred points.


I know it, and the other side isnt any better.  

How are you liking 29 stumps?  hehe not much to do out there eh?


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« Reply #34 on: October 01, 2003, 09:38:05 PM »
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I know it, and the other side isnt any better.  

How are you liking 29 stumps?  hehe not much to do out there eh?


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« Reply #35 on: October 01, 2003, 09:44:40 PM »
looks good

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« Reply #36 on: October 01, 2003, 11:52:37 PM »
There is still this .
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« Reply #37 on: October 02, 2003, 12:15:32 AM »
sandman I believe the jobs subject was talked about earlier in the thread....here was my reply if you missed it:



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Originally posted by banana
Whoopee, a jobless recovery.

Yehaw.
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My response:

With economic recovery comes jobs...it also works the other way too....with jobs comes economic recovery


Interesting article....but it referes to "But the number of jobs that businesses created in 2002 dropped to its lowest level since 1995."

Even in 95 things werent all that bad.

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« Reply #38 on: October 02, 2003, 08:14:27 AM »
Hmmmm...

Well, you have to start somewhere...


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« Reply #39 on: October 02, 2003, 09:02:37 AM »
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your right, lets cut the head off the largest tax spending beast. Cut all funds to all military expiditions right now.


Are you kidding?  It’s the one thing the constitution says the Government can spend money on. All the other crap is unconstitutional.
Further more Defense spending is at 3.3% of the GDP it was 8% in 1962 and has been going down ever since.
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« Reply #40 on: October 02, 2003, 09:06:26 AM »
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How can anyone be against a tax cut (in any shape and form) is beyond me.


Because they do not pay taxes to start and are jealous of the ppl who do as those ppl make more money/live in better homes/drive nicer cars than they do
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« Reply #41 on: October 02, 2003, 09:33:16 AM »
First let me say I'm apolitical.  The tax cut thing IMHO flies in the face of common sense when HUGE domestic fiscal issues remain unaddressed.  Frankly, I'm talking about Social Security and Medicare.  The baby boomers (born 1946ish to 1960ish) represent 76 million people.  The Xers (say born 60 to 80) are roughly 51 million folks.  As a result, the fact is there are more folks looking to get their benefits than will be paying in to the system.   Add to that equation the fact that the boomers are living longer and will, therfore, draw benefits for a longer period. Tell me how it makes sense to add a drug benfit?  As I said, I'm apoliotical but it sure looks to me like this is pandering to the AARP for votes.

Does a record fiscal deficit coupled with this eventuality scare you?  I think it should.  How many of you are prepared to fully fund your retirement and pay for you own healthcare once you are no longer working?  If you are the typical consumer you are up to your eye-teeth in debt and have little or no liquidity.  All this crowing about consumer spending spurring a recovery has some merit as something like 90% of our GDP comes from consumer spending.  The question How long can it be sustained?  Remember that savings growth rate in 2002 rose to 0% from prior years where we were actually in a dis-savings mode (spending more than we made...).

I'm sorry guys.  I don't see much to get too excited about.  I think the toughest road lies ahead.

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« Reply #42 on: October 02, 2003, 09:39:02 AM »
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It’s the one thing the constitution says the Government can spend money on. All the other crap is unconstitutional.


Um, JBA. Not true. Please consult the 8th Section of the US Constitution and the 16th Amendment.

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« Reply #43 on: October 02, 2003, 09:46:26 AM »
Two months of increased spending is not a recovery.

And it's not a sound recovery when the money spent is credit.

Mr. Bush took a surplus and has now turned it into the largest defeceit. Just like Regan and Bush Senior did before him - it's the typical Republican solution to economic problems - whipped out the American Charge card, start a war, stomp over a 3rd world country, kill a few thousand minorites, and start charging on credit and let someone else pay the bill.

Who's going to pay the bill? Middle class Americans... Not the rich - because they got the tax cuts.

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« Reply #44 on: October 02, 2003, 01:16:46 PM »
http://money.cnn.com/2003/10/02/news/economy/jobless/index.htm?cnn=yes

Jobless numbers up by nearly 400,000 in the last week....yep looking like it's just peachy over there.......