Author Topic: We distort, you decide...  (Read 957 times)

Offline Frogm4n

  • Parolee
  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2371
We distort, you decide...
« Reply #15 on: October 03, 2003, 11:33:05 AM »
actually miko brings up a valid point.

Offline Krusher

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2246
We distort, you decide...
« Reply #16 on: October 03, 2003, 11:39:11 AM »
Quote
Originally posted by Frogm4n
im sorry i should have made it more clear, its fox news that has mislead a higher percentage of their viewers. I do fly Rude all the time in fact. How else would the FDB's made #1 fighter squad last month if i wasnt on everyday vulching and shooting chutes.


I know what you meant, I was just pulling your chain. I think you must have gone to the same writing class I did hehe
« Last Edit: October 03, 2003, 02:33:29 PM by Krusher »

Offline Sandman

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 17620
We distort, you decide...
« Reply #17 on: October 03, 2003, 11:52:58 AM »
Didn't Paula Zahn go to CNN from Fox?


She's slammin'.
sand

Offline Erlkonig

  • Nickel Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 564
We distort, you decide...
« Reply #18 on: October 03, 2003, 12:32:05 PM »
So the two groups most likely to know the facts are those who read print media and those who listen to PBS and NPR.  This is not a startling revelation.

Offline AKIron

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 13338
We distort, you decide...
« Reply #19 on: October 03, 2003, 01:01:23 PM »
Quote
Originally posted by Frogm4n
Is that even a complete sentence? Or did i somehow miss you trying to explain how its not a bad thing that fox news has the most mislead viewers.


It's a bad thing to believe everything you read or everything you hear on tv.
Here we put salt on Margaritas, not sidewalks.

Offline AKIron

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 13338
We distort, you decide...
« Reply #20 on: October 03, 2003, 01:06:45 PM »
Quote
Originally posted by DmdNexus
BUT NEVER NEVER NEVER - admit the truth regardless of the overwhelming evidence. Change the subject by talking about Ted Kennedy and that women that died in the car accident.


Waiting for your admission of truth in this thread:
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=97686
Here we put salt on Margaritas, not sidewalks.

Offline miko2d

  • Parolee
  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3177
We distort, you decide...
« Reply #21 on: October 03, 2003, 01:18:47 PM »
Erlkonig: So the two groups most likely to know the facts are those who read print media and those who listen to PBS and NPR.

 Right wing talk media is generally targeted towards less sophisticated audience and tends to lie by comission. Left-wing talk media is more sophisticated and tends to lie by omission.

 Right-wing host is likely to argue out of ignorance about the facts themselevs - denying something happened because he/she have never heard of it or denying alternative inerpretation just because he/she cannot think of any.

 Left-wing host is likely to lie about meta-facts - like saying that "there are no studies whatsoever that would confirm..." or "the prevalent scientific opinion is..." where it is far from being the case.

 miko

Offline AKIron

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 13338
We distort, you decide...
« Reply #22 on: October 03, 2003, 01:23:53 PM »
Quote
Originally posted by miko2d
Erlkonig: So the two groups most likely to know the facts are those who read print media and those who listen to PBS and NPR.

 Right wing talk media is generally targeted towards less sophisticated audience and tends to lie by comission. Left-wing talk media is more sophisticated and tends to lie by omission.

 Right-wing host is likely to argue out of ignorance about the facts themselevs - denying something happened because he/she have never heard of it or denying alternative inerpretation just because he/she cannot think of any.

 Left-wing host is likely to lie about meta-facts - like saying that "there are no studies whatsoever that would confirm..." or "the prevalent scientific opinion is..." where it is far from being the case.

 miko


If by sophisticated you mean clueless then I must agree.
Here we put salt on Margaritas, not sidewalks.

Offline gofaster

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 6622
We distort, you decide...
« Reply #23 on: October 03, 2003, 01:24:47 PM »
Quote
Originally posted by Frogm4n
actually miko brings up a valid point.


Yeah, he does. He points out a problem that the study seems to ignore, which is that most people get their news from more than one source.

Offline gofaster

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 6622
We distort, you decide...
« Reply #24 on: October 03, 2003, 01:30:15 PM »
Actually, in terms of what news source I consider to be more valid than others is:

(a) print - most valid, considering the source.

(b) television - less valid, they have to cater to ratings wars.

(c) radio - least valid and takes two forms: (1) headline news (which may be true, but tends to omit facts germaine to the information) and (2) talk news, which tends to be skewed one way or another to incite the listener to call in and spout off about the announcer's position.  After all, with no callers there's no show.

Offline Dinger

  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1705
We distort, you decide...
« Reply #25 on: October 03, 2003, 02:13:05 PM »
Be careful with summaries of the report.

Some interesting details:
Of those three misperceptions (and you can claim clear or conclusive evidence if you like, the fact of the matter is that neither is the case), there was a direct correlation between them and supporting the war.


The report also claims to strain out things such as demographics.

"Looking just at Republicans, the average rate for the three key misperceptions was 43%.  For Republican Fox viewers, however, the average rate was 54% while for Republicans who get their news from PBS-NPR the average rate is 32%.  This same pattern obtains with Democrats and independents."

and the poll did control for multiple sources.  It wasn't just about the television newsmedia.  Rather the fact is that most people get their news from TV these days.  And the report does quantify how many people is "most people" (something like 80 percent)
« Last Edit: October 03, 2003, 02:15:39 PM by Dinger »

Offline miko2d

  • Parolee
  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3177
We distort, you decide...
« Reply #26 on: October 03, 2003, 02:27:16 PM »
AKIron: If by sophisticated you mean clueless then I must agree.

 Not really - I ment more educated, more knowlegeable, more intelligent, more carefully done.
 They are clueless about higher-level issues like why free market is superior to government intervention and why socialism does not work, but so are the right-wingers.

 Basically, when NPR or PBS cites some fact, you do not have to verify it. You may disagree radically with it's interpretation as I do but they are not lying or ignorant or sloppy checking the facts. You can use them for actual education on many factual issues, once you have the right philosophical worldview straight. Of course they are more dangerous to the young minds without set worldviews - exactly for the reason of being more professionally done.

 Right-wingers on the other hand are likely to say outright falcities based on presumpion or ignorance.

 Just one example. Curtis Sliwa said recently in discussion whether Saddam Hussein was a fundamental muslim of a secular socialist (and thus a likely enemy of Al-Qaede) "Hussein was different from Stalin and Hitler - neither Stalin or Hitler turned to religion when going got tough for them..."

 Not only did the ignorant dolt never heard of well-documented historical facts that Hitler and especially Stalin radically changed their stance on religion and employed it when they experienced cricis, he could not conceive there was something he could be ignorant about.
 I am sure plenty of ignorant listeners are now armed with false knowlege where they previously had none.

 miko

Offline AKIron

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 13338
We distort, you decide...
« Reply #27 on: October 03, 2003, 02:31:19 PM »
Quote
Originally posted by miko2d
Basically, when NPR or PBS cites some fact, you do not have to verify it.



 miko


Pretty dangerous attitude imo.
Here we put salt on Margaritas, not sidewalks.

Offline Sandman

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 17620
We distort, you decide...
« Reply #28 on: October 03, 2003, 02:41:12 PM »
Quote
Originally posted by AKIron
Pretty dangerous attitude imo.


Maybe so, but it's a pretty good bet. The odds are better than any of the networks simply because they aren't in it for the scoop or to be the first one to have the news.
sand

Offline DmdNexus

  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 901
We distort, you decide...
« Reply #29 on: October 03, 2003, 02:42:51 PM »
As a daily listener...

I can say that PBS and NPR get caught on their mistakes all the time.

And guess what!

Rather than rationalizing their mistakes and calling people names, like O'Reily and Rush...

NPR points out their mistake on the next broadcast and give their listeners of the correct information.