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Offline popeye

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« on: October 03, 2003, 10:13:59 AM »
"In the run-up to the war with Iraq and in the postwar period, a significant portion of the American public has held a number of misperceptions that have played a key role in generating and maintaining approval for the decision to go to war. Significant portions of the public have believed that Iraq was directly involved in the September 11 attacks and that evidence of links between Iraq and al-Qaeda have been found, that weapons of mass destruction were found in Iraq after the war and that Iraq actually used weapons of mass destruction during the war, and that world public opinion has approved of the US going to war with Iraq. While, in most cases only a minority has any particular misperception, a large majority has at least one key misperception."

"Fox News watchers were most likely to hold misperceptions—and were three times more likely than the next nearest network to hold all three misperceptions."

http://www.pipa.org/OnlineReports/Iraq/Media_10_02_03_Report.pdf
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« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2003, 10:19:41 AM »
Doesn't suprise me a bit....of course everyone knows, Republicans are the only party to hold misconceptions:)

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« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2003, 10:24:56 AM »
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Doesn't suprise me a bit....of course everyone knows, Republicans are the only party to hold misconceptions:)


Is that even a complete sentence? Or did i somehow miss you trying to explain how its not a bad thing that fox news has the most mislead viewers.

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« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2003, 10:51:18 AM »
"Republicans are the only party to hold misconceptions"

Rude, that is a blatant misconception!
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« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2003, 10:53:36 AM »
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Is that even a complete sentence? Or did i somehow miss you trying to explain how its not a bad thing that fox news has the most mislead viewers.


ABC, CBS, and NBC have millions more viewers than fox. So it is very unlikely that fox has the most mislead viewers.

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« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2003, 10:55:09 AM »
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Is that even a complete sentence? Or did i somehow miss you trying to explain how its not a bad thing that fox news has the most mislead viewers.


While you've not been that impressive here on the boards, i still find it hard to believe that you cannot understand my response....still, don't fret about it, as I was responding to my friend Popeye and not asking for your opinion.

Do you fly the game or just lurk these boards seeking to impress us?

Just curious.

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« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2003, 10:56:30 AM »
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"Republicans are the only party to hold misconceptions"

Rude, that is a blatant misconception!


I'm sorry....it was a misconception on my part in the first place....please accept my apology:)

Offline Tarmac

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« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2003, 10:59:47 AM »
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ABC, CBS, and NBC have millions more viewers than fox. So it is very unlikely that fox has the most mislead viewers.


"Fox News watchers were most likely to hold misperceptions—and were three times more likely than the next nearest network to hold all three misperceptions."

They're talking about percentages here... the actual numbers of viewers is irrelevant.

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« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2003, 11:11:11 AM »
And it looks to me as if the principals "bait and switched" the poll questions and their conclusions.  For example, one poll asked  about "clear evidence" of an Iraq-Al Quaeda connection, but the report summary calls that opinion erroneous because there is no "conclusive evidence".

In my world, those are two different things.

And frankly, there may never be CONCLUSIVE evidence of a connection.  Many will say that is because there was no connection.  Others will say that is because intelligence work is NOT police work, and intelligence officers DO NOT need to gather evidence to a judicial standard in order to arrive at conclusions.

I am in the latter group, by the way.

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« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2003, 11:14:27 AM »
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"Fox News watchers were most likely to hold misperceptions—and were three times more likely than the next nearest network to hold all three misperceptions."

They're talking about percentages here... the actual numbers of viewers is irrelevant.



Frog quote:
"Is that even a complete sentence? Or did i somehow miss you trying to explain how its not a bad thing that fox news has the most mislead viewers. "


Thats not what frog wrote. Do you think he was trying to mislead?

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« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2003, 11:22:22 AM »
Whoops, sorry, misread that.  Redirect my previous post at Frogman, please.  :)

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« Reply #11 on: October 03, 2003, 11:22:31 AM »
I have to defend FOX here. It is not necessarily that those morons were actually misled by FOX.

 Much more likely explanation they picked up most of their misconceptions elswhere - from right-wing radio talk-show hosts like Rush Limbaugh, Curtis Sliwa or Monica Crawley.

 miko

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« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2003, 11:23:34 AM »
im sorry i should have made it more clear, its fox news that has mislead a higher percentage of their viewers. I do fly Rude all the time in fact. How else would the FDB's made #1 fighter squad last month if i wasnt on everyday vulching and shooting chutes.

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« Reply #13 on: October 03, 2003, 11:29:17 AM »
Going deeper into the background of the supporters and cotributors of the report, you see outfits like Public Agenda, the Brookings Institution, and Center for International and Security Studies.

Every one of these groups promotes left-wing policies.  I therefore conclude that they had an agenda in publishing this report beyond the simple examination of public opinion--they would like to discredit certain media outlets.

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« Reply #14 on: October 03, 2003, 11:32:15 AM »
When confronted with statistical facts which prove how distorted the right wing media is, how well organized they are, and how they sprew lies and propogandize their twisted view point of the world....

Let me play the next card in the Conservative deck of cards.

"IGNORE THE FACTS AND CALL YOUR OPPONENT NAMES, FROTH AT THE MOUTH IN A PATRIOTIC RANT, STOMP UP AND DOWN AND THREATEN THEM WITH VIOLENCE AND PROSECUTE them with AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATOR - ACCUSE THEM OF BEING TRAITORS. Accuse them of being un-patriotic. TELL THEM TO MOVE TO ANOTHER COUNTRY. Accuse them of being homosexuals, accuse them of being immoral, ACCUSE THEM OF BEING SISSIES.  CALL THEM A DIRTY 6 LETTER WORD LIKE "LIBRAL" [Even though it's a 7 letter word... drop the "er" sound and slurr it so it sounds dirty] Yelll and scream like a truculant child who's just been caught lying, deny, deny, deny, run to your mommy who believes you and loves you.
BUT NEVER NEVER NEVER - admit the truth regardless of the overwhelming evidence. Change the subject by talking about Ted Kennedy and that women that died in the car accident.

Change the subject and talk about drug addiction, throw down you mic, and walk off the set, yell that you wont participate in any liberal ambushes.

Tell a conservative report a national secret like the intelligence community is tracking Bin Laden on his cell phone or ambassador Wilson's wife is a CIA operative.