Author Topic: Cannibis, performance enhancing drug (Read 1130 times)

capt. apathy · « **Reply #30 on:** October 04, 2003, 04:30:11 PM »

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Maybe it's better to use drugs that don't show on sobriety test and don't leave traces in your system?

I always found that ironic. if you've smoked pot in a month it shows up and you're fired (even though you are much more rested and able to work the next day than someone who was drinking)

while hung-over guys will pass a blood-alcohol test and be useless.

and those on acid will test clean at the time of use.

btw- the piss test doesn't detect pot in your system, it detects things (I forget the name, but I take several of these tests per year and they sometimes explain how they work) you body makes when exposed to pot. so the test is not detecting pot it's detecting your bodys reaction to something that may have been pot(several other things can cause your body to produce the same things). so the test shows nothing to do with any level of impairment.

the best test I've ever seen used was a 'video-game like' test they used in the shipyards maybe 10-15 years ago(I talked to guys who used it, my company used the piss test). you basicly set benchmarks for your dexterity (mental and physical) and reaction times.

then every day you'd come to work and run through the routine on the machine. everyone tested every day. if you fell signifigantly outside your norm you didn't work that day. if it came up to often youd have to talk to someone about it.

the thing is they say the testing is for safety, this test would check to see if you are impaired at the time of work. it doesn't care what you did that effected your off time and it doesn't care if you are impaired by something that the gov't has aproved of, if your ok go to waork and if not go home, very simple very fair.

strk · « **Reply #31 on:** October 04, 2003, 04:31:30 PM »

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dangerous wussy POS

lol ok

do you drink coffee or smoke? drink beer? all are either more addictive or more dangerous.

MJ prohibition is sheer ignorance, it is a mild nonaddictive drug. its been around for thousands of years and is the only substanc of its kind that needs no processing, you can use in the same form that God created it.

ever tried it?

strk

capt. apathy · « **Reply #32 on:** October 04, 2003, 04:35:58 PM »

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only substanc of its kind that needs no processing, you can use in the same form that God created it.

where in lies the problem. you can grown your own medication, and bypass pharmisutical companies.

you can grow your own recreational drug and by-pass alcohol and tobacco companies.

the big problem with pot is it cuts into big bussines gouging money from the consumer.

when pot was outlawed in 1919 every major pharmicutical company had some form of pot based medication for sale. when people find that the processing wasn't really necisary to get the value from it and that they could grow their own, it was outlawed

strk · « **Reply #33 on:** October 04, 2003, 04:45:08 PM »

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where in lies the problem. you can grown your own medication, and bypass pharmisutical companies

yup. You cant patent it so the drug companies cant make any "monopoly" money off of it.

We are far from a drug free nation - lots more pharmaceutical drugs out there than illegals

strk

Maverick · « **Reply #34 on:** October 04, 2003, 04:50:40 PM »

Irregardless of what you may think, I really do feel sorry for those who can't hack life sober, from any substance. I really don't care much about your opinions on the subject. I had enough time picking up people and parts of people who couldn't hack life sober. The worst part of it was dealing with those who were sober but had to deal with the death and destruction of those who decided they were better off using substances then risking everyone elses health and lives on and or near the streets. If it was only the drunk or drugged hemorhoid that died, then all we lost was the property damaged by their stupidity. Frequently it was someone else who paid just because the idiot decided to have some "fun".

Frankly, if you want to burn out your mind, liver or what ever part of your body gets damaged by whichever substance you care to use I don't care. That is as long as you do not pose any threat to others who happen to be in the same area as you are. I am a firm believer that you have as much of a right to die just as a right to live. Just don't think that your "recreation" justifies the risk to others. It doesn't.

Sandman · « **Reply #35 on:** October 04, 2003, 05:11:48 PM »

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Originally posted by Maverick
Just don't think that your "recreation" justifies the risk to others. It doesn't.

I doubt you'll find anyone here that will argue this.

Still... what you do in the privacy of your own home...

mora · « **Reply #36 on:** October 04, 2003, 06:43:42 PM »

It's the ignorance and stupidity that kills on the roads not alcohol or any other substance.

Maverick · « **Reply #37 on:** October 04, 2003, 06:56:23 PM »

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Originally posted by mora
It's the ignorance and stupidity that kills on the roads not alcohol or any other substance.

This is so blatantly idiotic I find no words adequate to educate you. I doubt you can be educated.

AHGOD · « **Reply #38 on:** October 04, 2003, 06:59:23 PM »

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Originally posted by Maverick
Gee it must be terrible to be unable to face life sober. I feel sorry for those unable to hack it on thier own.

ROFLMAO!!! I bet you're a hoot, and the chicks dig your hardline stance on not having fun.

lazs2 · « **Reply #39 on:** October 04, 2003, 08:07:01 PM »

guys... I really don't care what you do at home... it's when you get on the freeway with me that I do.. or drive the bus or taxi i'm in or run the backhoe that is near me. I don't want you doing those things if you are poorly skilled either.

I realize that there may be some people that are so skilled that they can perform fairly well under some degree of intoxication.... I used to say that I could drive better drunk than my last ex could drive n her best day... this was true to an extent but...

We can't be that subjective... we can't be that fair even. the way that happens is... if you are so good that you don't get caught then everything will be fine but... we need a zero tolerence policy for operating machinery... nothing else will work... if that means that we bust a few of you supermen then so be it. The risk is too great and there are too many out there that all think they are the exception... They are not the problem they feel.. they are competent when loaded... it just makes them more "rested" and mellows em out.... blah blah blah.... smack into that minivan that cut in front of em while they were "feeling" the music.

like I said... go argue with the DOT... I happen to think they are right on this one tho.

As for the drunk performing badly with a hangover... well... if he is able to drag himself to work with a hangover very many times... then he is probly in the middle stages of alchoholism... he is gonna get worse. He is gonna get caught.

Soory guys... ya can't be special on this one... if you are dimminished then you shouldn't be out there. Other factors can diminish your ability but that doesn't mean we have to condone self inflicted ones.
lazs

Cabby44 · « **Reply #40 on:** October 04, 2003, 08:17:08 PM »

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"It's the ignorance and stupidity that kills on the roads......"

True......

......... not alcohol or any other substance."

But this is just the "rationalization" of a substance abuser........

C.

capt. apathy · « **Reply #41 on:** October 04, 2003, 09:14:11 PM »

laz2,

I agree with most of what you're saying. and man if we could ban stupidity from job-sites that would go farther for safety than any drug program ever.

but why don't they use tests that check for impairment (even the mouth swab test is better, as it checks the last 2-3 days), but the curent test does nothing as it doesn't check for the most abused or dangerouse substances (alcohol, lsd), and serious drug users have no problem beating the piss test anyway. so mostly you just catch the guy who smoked a little on friday and has the bad luck to get selected the midle of next week.

the other thing is that as far as working around heavy equipment (which I do every day) they test the workers regularly, but supervision, safety cordinators and engineers (the people who have the real say in how the job is done) are rarely tested.

I've met many guys who work well when they've smoked a little (not enough to get high), when sober they are jump stressed out and scatter brained, completely useless(I'm not one of those, when I used to smoke I got stupid long before I felt calm or good, if I smoked enough to feel good I could do nothing requiring more thought than sitting in a corner blowing spit-bubbles).

the way I figure it if the guy is doing a good job and working safe leave him alone, and if he isn't I don't really care if the excuse is he's high, stressed out, or just plain stupid, get rid of him. (the obviouse exception to this is those who drive, pilot or work alone, any situation where you don't have people to notice your impairment before a serious catastrophy

SOB · « **Reply #42 on:** October 04, 2003, 10:20:17 PM »

Since this thread has taken a step away from the original subject, I should mention that my posts were in reference to that article and the sailing pansies. Oh, and Lazs is a studmuffin!

Tuomio · « **Reply #43 on:** October 05, 2003, 02:56:43 AM »

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Originally posted by AHGOD
I bet you're a hoot, and the chicks dig your hardline stance on not having fun.

Yeah, at least alcohol helps you score, millions of alcohol advertisements cant be wrong!

I feel sorry for the people who cant face life without having fun. We should all live in monastery and beat our sinned bodies with sticks.

mora · « **Reply #44 on:** October 05, 2003, 05:24:22 AM »

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Originally posted by Cabby44
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"It's the ignorance and stupidity that kills on the roads......"

True......

......... not alcohol or any other substance."

But this is just the "rationalization" of a substance abuser........

C.

Well I have never operated motor vehicles while drunk and don't even know too many people who have. I know that it's standard procedure to drive drunk over there. Is that because you are ignorant and stupid or something else?